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My bad, I swapped aspect and nature. Yeah, that makes sense.
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My bad, I swapped aspect and nature. Yeah, that makes sense.
Well lets not go off it unless its applied.(this isn't implemented, im just going off by what someone knowledgeable said)
i dont think every single thing that exist here has to be applied somewhereWell lets not go off it unless its applied.
I meant types, apologies.yeah
apparently what aspect of NEP you have doesn't matter, its just type that matters
huh??? I am 99% sure that is just false.
I am pretty sure what you are confusing it with is, how just due to a person having an aspect of NEp, doesn't make them Fully NEP. For example. Nep 1 aspect 2. This means his concept is nonexistent, but everything else is existent. So along as you aren't trying to interact with his nonexistent concept you are fine.
Aspect represents, what is currently affected by nature. For example, let's say someone's soul is none existent. and a character can interact with a non-existent concept. Can they automatically interact with the non-existent soul? The answer is no.huh
i did not understand anything you said here
if i can interact with NEP type 2 already, why would i need to interact with aspect type 3
this is not what i was talking aboutAspect represents, what is currently affected by nature. For example, let's say someone's soul is none existent. and a character can interact with a non-existent concept. Can they automatically interact with the non-existent soul? The answer is no.
Nep is pretty significant on the wiki and in matches, shouldn't use something not applied.i dont think every single thing that exist here has to be applied somewhere
Doesn't matter, they get erased conceptually, not having an narrative aspect doesn't save you from getting erased, just makes you resistant to the thing you lack, for obvious reasons.I meant types, apologies.
But yeah, doesn't seem they can interact with NEP2 all aspects and BDE1
Yeah, just proved what I said.... Also it was Veldanava not Rimuru...i just asked glass and he said this
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We don't go around assuming narrative erasure can erase NEP2 things as well; heck, not even NEP1 things, unless shown otherwise.Doesn't matter, they get erased conceptually, not having an narrative aspect doesn't save you from getting erased, just makes you resistant to the thing you lack, for obvious reasons.
I...What? Blazblue has conceptual hax, this conceptual hax can affect CM NEP2. Also, I doubt they are getting pass Ozriel AureliusWe don't go around assuming narrative erasure can erase NEP2 things as well; heck, not even NEP1 things, unless shown otherwise.
both but unequal speed is what gets the spot overall iirc.are spots for this list speed equal or not
I don't know what will happen with BlazBlue vs Velda, that has yet to be decided.
I think this has many layers, you would have to ask a supporter, and it seems that he can interact with all aspects of NEP, so...
Here again a problem of interactability.3. Characters from Slay The Princess (The Princess and The Hero)
i think veldanava stomps.
Transduality type 2, so Veldanava cannot interact with him, although I do not know how the former could harm Veldanava6. Characters from Wizard101
Same as above.
Where?I...What? Blazblue has conceptual hax, this conceptual hax can affect CM NEP2. Also, I doubt they are getting pass Ozriel Aurelius
but essentially, the thing is size. Ozriel's range itself for all of his hax seems to be that of Low 1-C baseline[a single 5-dimensional construct], while Veldanava's nature encompasses countless such constructsI think this has many layers, you would have to ask a supporter, and it seems that he can interact with all aspects of NEP, so...
icl I don't think Veldanava being larger than Ozriel is that useful because it wouldn't prevent him from getting CM 1 haxedbut essentially, the thing is size. Ozriel's range itself for all of his hax seems to be that of Low 1-C baseline[a single 5-dimensional construct], while Veldanava's nature encompasses countless such constructs
As I explained before in the thread itself, it seems their CM1 rating is prior to the tiering system revisions, so we'll need to see if their CM1 [or to be more specific, their type 1 concepts themselves] are just cosmology-scaled or Low 1-A/1-A[that which is the tier independent universal concepts should normally have if they are independent of their particulars[the entire cosmology]icl I don't think Veldanava being larger than Ozriel is that useful because it wouldn't prevent him from getting CM 1 haxed
Here again a problem of interactability.
So characters can be in spots simply for being faster than the guy below them?both but unequal speed is what gets the spot overall iirc.
We are going by what the current profile states, whether the CM 1 qualifies for 1-A is not relevant to this fight at the momentAs I explained before in the thread itself, it seems their CM1 rating is prior to the tiering system revisions, so we'll need to see if their CM1 [or to be more specific, their type 1 concepts themselves] are just cosmology-scaled or Low 1-A/1-A[that which is the tier independent universal concepts should normally have if they are independent of their particulars[the entire cosmology]
if we're going by the current profiles [which have ratings according to the previous standards], then we must also go with their previously accepted level of Cm1; which would be independent/outside of baseline 5D in this case for Ozriel, since it seems their cosmology itself is 5D [for "The Way"]We are going by what the current profile states, whether the CM 1 qualifies for 1-A is not relevant to this fight at the moment
No. Both will share a spot but the overall spot goes to the one who wins in unequal speed.So characters can be in spots simply for being faster than the guy below them?Should really be speed equal imo
Yeah, for Slime, cause they do not have the NEP NPI to actually interact with TLQ before he just erases them beyond their capability to do anything. because his NEP is deeper than typical NEP 2 and he erases you to such a degreeHere again a problem of interactability.
I actually said that because the characters from Slay the princess apparently have transduality type 2Yeah, for Slime, cause they do not have the NEP NPI to actually interact with TLQ before he just erases them beyond their capability to do anything. because his NEP is deeper than typical NEP 2 and he erases you to such a degree
Encompass more low 1-c structure doesn't make you larger than baseline low 1-c structure cause they are all beyond infinite now, more infinite is still infinite. Unless the verse itself specific that the character is larger because he encompassing more thing or it require more range to reach more, etc.......if not everything is the same baseline low 1-c, this has been the standard since 2-Abut essentially, the thing is size. Ozriel's range itself for all of his hax seems to be that of Low 1-C baseline[a single 5-dimensional construct], while Veldanava's nature encompasses countless such constructs
Sora should be 6D as I recalled ? No ? He should be removed from low 1C nonsmurf list since he is 1Ci think veldanava stomps.
sora got downgraded to 5dSora should be 6D as I recalled ? No ? He should be removed from low 1C nonsmurf list since he is 1C
It's not Veldanava vs Ozriel, it's God vs Ozriel. The dude is Omnipresent...it doesn't even matter if veldanava is bigger than Ozriel because the fight distance is 4km
you do know that just because its infinite doesn't change the possibility of it stacking, right? This is not 2-A where the amount of infinities is just a matter or arrangement[infinite sets of infinite timelines], but something more then that; A Low 2-C construct [space-time/timeline] is below 2-C construct[more then 1 space-time/timeline], in the same sense, a single Low 1-C hyper-timeline is inferior, in the same way, to multiple Low 1-C hypertimelines.Encompass more low 1-c structure doesn't make you larger than baseline low 1-c structure cause they are all beyond infinite now, more infinite is still infinite. Unless the verse itself specific that the character is larger because he encompassing more thing or it require more range to reach more, etc.......if not everything is the same baseline low 1-c, this has been the standard since 2-A
I did read it, at least for the part that was linked to Ozriel's AP rating... and it seems the construct he was scaling to was baseline Low 1-C, unless I missed something.Read the cosmology pages for Will verse to avoid DT mistakes.
You no matter how much you stacking infinity it is all the same infinity, unless it is uncountable infinity or infinite^infinite or +1D or higher cardinality. No offense but go talk to the standard, this site do not run on your personal belief, if the verse do not specific it, then it is all baselineyou do know that just because its infinite doesn't change the possibility of it stacking, right? This is not 2-A where the amount of infinities is just a matter or arrangement[infinite sets of infinite timelines], but something more then that; A Low 2-C construct [space-time/timeline] is below 2-C construct[more then 1 space-time/timeline], in the same sense, a single Low 1-C hyper-timeline is inferior, in the same way, to multiple Low 1-C hypertimelines.
Did I ever say it was higher cardinality or +1D tho?You no matter how much you stacking infinity it is all the same infinity, unless it is uncountable infinity or infinite^infinite or +1D or higher cardinality. No offense but go talk to the standard, this site do not run on your personal belief, if the verse do not specific it, then it is all baseline
Tier 2 is outlier in the current system which is hard to address, but again starting from 2-A, unless the verse specific it, everything is baseline, you can have higher AP via scaling chain such as B stronger than A, C stronger than B, etc...but by default encompassing more low 1-c structure (or any higher structure) is the same as baseline, the verse need to specific that encompassing more structure mean you stronger or bigger or have more range, etc...... This is the standardDid I ever say it was higher cardinality or +1D tho?
1-C is 5D only [6D is 1-C], something like "Layers into Low 1-C" will still be 5D regardless, but above baseline 5D.
I thought these standards were common knowledge since its literally the tiering system page; I highlighted to you the difference between Low 2-C[a single 4D construct] and 2-C[many 4D constructs], even just basic knowledge of the tiering system should be able to conclude the same applies to 5D constructs as well. It's not gonna get it to 6D, but it's not gonna be the same as baseline 5D either. -_-