Yeah it's basically that you need mind/soul destruction to kill Deathwing in his Cataclysm key if you lack Regen neg, combine that with a ludicrously rare ability,(Mind Possession-- not Mind Control or anything like that) a wall of resistances(that don't have layers), and the fact even touching him is deadly if your heat resistance is somehow dogshit when you're a 5-B and yeah
Oi. Put Deathwing above Mori Jin.
What tier
Deathwing only has one tier, but 5-B lol
I could only find a 3A deathwing, could you send the profile
You're either lying or think Heroes of the Storm is Deathwing's original verse.
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I don’t know the character and just googled it…? The only results were someone's blog post and the 3A version so I just askedYou're either lying or think Heroes of the Storm is Deathwing's original verse.
Deathwing
Deathwing the Destroyer,[3] formerly known as Neltharion the Earth-Warder (pronounced /nɛɫˈθærɪən/ "nel-THARR-ree-uhn"), was one of the five Dragon Aspects and leader of the black dragonflight.[6] Ages ago, Neltharion was empowered by the Pantheon with dominion over the earth and the deep places...
Which is it?
...why Google it we have a wiki with a functioning search system?
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Depends, but should 2-C for mewhere should we put this guy
IX (Honkai: Star Rail)
IX is the Aeon that presides over the Path of Nihility. Their existence is a mystery. IX doesn't interact with the other Aeons. They believe that the ultimate fate of the multiverse is nothingness, and therefore, worthless. Tier: Low 1-A Name: IX, IX the Nihility, All-Consuming Black Hole, The...
They MAY become 11-Dwhere should we put this guy
IX (Honkai: Star Rail)
IX is the Aeon that presides over the Path of Nihility. Their existence is a mystery. IX doesn't interact with the other Aeons. They believe that the ultimate fate of the multiverse is nothingness, and therefore, worthless. Tier: Low 1-A Name: IX, IX the Nihility, All-Consuming Black Hole, The...
which is funny cuz there are not much 11D and Doctor who will left that level, which make the verse fall in the darkness of not having much fights with top tiers
Don't really see how he would kill her. Her immortality is pretty good. The Core Element seems like the obvious choice, but with Metaphysical Aspect guidelines in place, I feel comfortable saying that I don't see that kill her. Body, Mind and Soul are all things that can be attacked in her verse and her immortality makes her immune to getting killed by anything in her verse. (With one exception) Generally, you need to be beyond the influence of the laws of nature and the laws governing the supernatural, as she made the laws exclude all means of killing her.
either? Or altering the past in general.
Too lazy to debate this right now. He can have the spot until the revision where I give Yomoji the option to tap into 3-B reality warping.
Non canon
Why? It's all the same author.
How exactly does that work? I tried reading everything but her profile is kinda all over the place.
Oh yeah his profile needs major reworking but there's exactly 2 of us working on the entire verse so it's taking time
. Can't he just destroy those.
Isn't that just passive mind manipulation? Which Mujin resists. This
Sounds exactly like Mujins passive mind hax that make people bow down and submit to him.
And Mujin resists that.
Oh yeah, that series where Odin is from was nuked a short while ago so they definitely should be removed off of the 3-C tier listing.
She modified the laws of the universe such that nothing under their influence can defeat her. You would need something independent of them to kill her and then you need to have that something remove her influence over the universe, as otherwise that will still resurrect her.
So no regen for example, yes?Oh yeah his profile needs major reworking but there's exactly 2 of us working on the entire verse so it's taking time
He can use everything except his red wings section and Satan abilities
Just destroy a curse? One that attacks him in the past? How?
It's not mind manipulation. It's explicitly said to not supernatural or a skill at all, but pure social influencing (charisma and beauty). Hence mind resistance is no counter.
Her passive power null should be useful here.
Mujin has law manip resistance so shouldn't that just like, negate that? Or he could just rewrite the laws of the universe to make her killable again since he has conceptual law manip.
Regen yes, just not high godly. I think someone recently messed with it but he should have like mid-high regen even without Satan.
The description says it can follow you in the past, not attack you in the past. Wouldn't that kidna make it 4D which would in turn make it smurf?
He should (and will soon). Also Mujin resists precog.
So Mujin can just like, get past it through willpower alone?
Mujin resists power null.
It's also concept and information. Also absorbing it would just straight up give him WQs abilities making it a stalemate at worst.
Yeah fear hax were extremely underdeveloped before I got and I couldn't fully rework the profiles yet. So far I got them to be layered but didn't do much more.
Yes. The profiles wording is not the best rn but the ability was never limited to gods. Mujin is just an anti-god racist so he mainly targeted them
I see nothing on his profile that would suggest that he can ignore or rewrite all laws of the universe simultaneously, much less on an interdimensional scale. Laws include those which rule over fate and causality, which he has no resistance to. The White Queen indicates that even logic is part of said laws.
Well, high-godly would be debatable, but for just mid-high the WQs resurrection negation definitely just ignore that.
Time powers that affect the past are not considered smurf, no. It's only smurf if you rewrite the whole timeline through power.
Time stop in particular?
Then Wisdom (the omniscience counterpart to the WQs omnipotence) would still give the WQ intel over all Mujin ever did.
In theory yes. In practice, good luck.
That resistance seemed to be related to absorption? Or how does it look like in practice.
I don't think he would get much of the WQs abilities. Like, first he would only get one of her 512 forms as the rest are not really present. Then he would not get her relationship to Wisdom. He would not get anything related to her being a living law, as that's not something he could absorb. He can not geta anything that is a result of her accomplishments, i.e. no rule over the laws of the universe, as her servants would stay loyal to her. And he can not get the sword of truth, as that is constructed to always make the WQ win, even against her own will.
That looks like someone intimidating fodder. Doubt it will do much against the WQ, who doesn't even get nervous when she gets one-sidedly stomped.
Any evidence for that and for it to be his leading move in a majority of his fights?Yes. The profiles wording is not the best rn but the ability was never limited to gods. Mujin is just an anti-god racist so he mainly targeted them
Mujin could casually break a law that made it physically impossible for Gods to interact with humans. Like the universe would literally stop them from doing so. It also has interdimensional range as the taboo works across all 3 dimensions (human, monster, and heavenly). We actually see it get changed 2 other times with direct results in the other dimensions.
Mid high is definitely still useful ngl.
Mujins is actually aware of the past being affected. When Dean tried to pick the right future from the past Mujin in the future became aware of him.
Yeah.
Would her omniscience include other series?
Mujin already kinda beat something like that with Tataghata multiple times. Whenever Mujin wanted to give up and submit to his opponent the prophets inside his mind pushed him through those feelings.
Yeah and Mujins entire character and backstory is about his ridiculous hatred towards gods. Mujins entire motivation for everything is that his lover was killed by the gods while trying to revive the supreme god, and the fact that gods have enslaved humanity for billions of years. He literally ends up committing a mass genocide of the entire god race and even went out of his way to kill Mori who has saved the entire human race (who Mujin was obsessed with) multiple times just because Mori is technically a god.
Actually there was a thread where gods having resistance to Sujins power null was accepted, I just didn't make the God Physiology verse-ability. Sujins power null basically just makes you completely incapable of using your abilities with a single glance.
He absorbed Satans core element. Core elements are concepts and information. I really don't see why he couldn't just gain everything she has.
Why not?
Because fear manipulation is canonically a skill of every fighter in GoH.
. WQ has no fear manip resistance and Mujin can straight up knock her unconscious, there's literally no way for her to get around this.... It's his opening move.
He can make people hear his voice inside their minds and has interdimensional range.
Bumping this. Idk if we came to a conclusion on the WQ stuff but if we still disagree we can either have them share the spot or open a thread
Non existent NPI doesn't work against Pokemon, Narrator or Sauron. For Pkmn you need spiritual (for Lunala as a Ghost) although Necrozma would be affected as its made from Light, Sauron is based on will(so abstract) and Narrator is based on... Uh... Idk lol, but not non-existent. He ain't deconstructing them.
BlackHole has no resistance to sleep manipulation and Hypnosis works on non-biological Pokemon.
Well, true enough.
I think making a rock sleep, is a little bit different FROM MAKING A BORDELINE 0 DIMENSIONAL ******* BLACKHOLE SLEEP, Also..I mean, they can't affect him, and he will just wake up
That, and the fact he's the size of a literal infinite universe to the point where I don't ever recall moves in Pokemon affecting people of this size.
...except his range is only thousands of kilometers, which is ineffective against an infinitely-large being.
Nice mind he's got, don't you think?
