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Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki

Robo432343 said:
i don't think its incon because if you try to touch long quiet you will die and rimuru does not know that
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He's not literally lack of information so Rimuru slams him to the ground. He also knows everything about her thanks to information analysis at the information type 2 level.
 
CodeCCLL said:
He's not literally lack of information so Rimuru slams him to the ground. He also knows everything about her thanks to information analysis at the information type 2 level.
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No, Rimuru's abilities have not been shown to be able to affect Transduality Type 2, even his analysis would not work.
 
CodeCCLL said:
He's not literally lack of information so Rimuru slams him to the ground. He also knows everything about her thanks to information analysis at the information type 2 level.
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What information are you going to be affecting? The information of it's body which it doesn't have. The information of it's mind which is nonexistent. The information of its soul, also nonexistent. The information of it's concept, again nonexistent. What other essential component does TLQ have that Rimuru can target the information of?

It's easy to say that it lacks information resistance and so you can affect it's information, but you've also got to explain what exactly the information is about. Information is a metaphysical property that describes something giving it shape, but if their is nothing to describe the shape of then their won't be information to affect.
 
Robo432343 said:
The information of it's body which it doesn't have. The information of it's mind which is nonexistent. The information of its soul, also nonexistent. The information of it's concept, again nonexistent. What other essential component does TLQ have that Rimuru can target the information of?
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You don't even know the difference between type 2 information and type 1 information. The knowledge of the soul is type 1 information because it needs the soul to exist (an area). Type 2 information is the fundemental information that constitutes an existence.

There's a reason that damn NEP aspect type 4 exists.
 
Wesker018 said:
????
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On the other hand, characters with transduality exist outside and independently of the logical systems that they're nondual regarding while also possessing qualitative superiority to them. Besides immunizing them against the dualities in question, this power also immunizes them against attempts to apply those dualities to them, as they would transcend the scope of the haxes that could do so.
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CodeCCLL said:
You don't even know the difference between type 2 information and type 1 information. The knowledge of the soul is type 1 information because it needs the soul to exist (an area). Type 2 information is the fundemental information that constitutes an existence.

There's a reason that damn NEP aspect type 4 exists.
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this does not answer what i said at all

also why do you have to be so rude to every single person that debates with you on something??
 
Robo432343 said:
this does not answer what i said at all

also why do you have to be so rude to every single person that debates with you on something??
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He meant to say that your verse does not have any information that is fundamental

Information type 1 can exist to.. and being non existent on that level is also very common
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
I love that the easiest way to beat someone that has some bs interaction hax is to simply bust their entire cosmology
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isekai´s authors after copying and pasting all the powers from the wiki into his manga and still getting oneshotted by a random lovecraft god:

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Robo432343 said:
this does not answer what i said at
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There is a "character x" and this character is in a verse with a materialist fiction where people are consist of a pile of meat. Do you think this character is immune to conventional soul manipulation?

Or a game character; do you think that his lack of physical body, soul, concept will prevent his code from being erased?
Robo432343 said:
also why do you have to be so rude to every single person that debates with you on something??
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If you still don't get it, I really don't care if you find me rude.
 
no, thats important with nonduality type 1(specific nonduality), Transduality makes you immune to everything that does not operate in the same number of truth/logical states as you, no matter what ability it is since you are simply outside the scope in which those abilities works.

This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that don't also possess this level of nonduality, though characters scaling to more logical states than the ones mentioned can bypass this immunity.
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BestMGQScalerEver said:
The "qualitative superiority" part has been there ever since the old tiering system so you can also just chalk it up to a product of its time rather than invalidating the ability.
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If they had qualitative superiority over the dualities consist of reality, information type 2 hax would be useless against them. But without qualitative superiority, it doesn't matter whether they have nonduality or transduality.

Rimuru would knock them down with information type 2 hax arsenal.
 
CodeCCLL said:
If they had qualitative superiority over the dualities consist of reality, information type 2 hax would be useless against them. But without qualitative superiority, it doesn't matter whether they have nonduality or transduality.

Rimuru would knock them down with information type 2 hax arsenal.
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yap.

Anyways StP characters are explicitly immune to the dualities they're above (so it's not a useless ability) so Rimuru can't interact with them plus TLQ would have an extra truth value to his TD2 for opposing a being who is duality itself as well as better deeper NEP.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Anyways StP characters are explicitly immune to the dualities they're above so Rimuru can't interact with them plus TLQ would have an extra truth value to his TD2 for opposing a being who is duality itself as well as better deeper NEP.
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What nonsense are you talking about? They do not have NEP Aspect Type 4 and they's Transduality do not extend to information type 2.
 
CodeCCLL said:
What nonsense are you talking about? They do not have NEP Aspect Type 4 and they's Transduality do not extend to information type 2.
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This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that don't also possess this level of nonduality, though characters scaling to more logical states than the ones mentioned can bypass this immunity.
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There is no need to "extend" transduality to that ability, they exists beyond the scope of rimuru´s info hax.
 
Wesker018 said:
There is no need to "extend" transduality to that ability, they exists beyond the scope of rimuru´s info hax.
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Obviously NLF lol.
Characters existing in a nondual state regarding all dual systems within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them occupy both or neither state of the dualities in question.
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You need to prove whether they's transduality includes the duality of [information and not information]
 
This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that don't also possess this level of nonduality, though characters scaling to more logical states than the ones mentioned can bypass this immunity.
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It's not a NLF either. It's like saying Abstract Existence is immune against all hax that dont possess feats of being able to interact with it. So Tensura cant do shit.
 
Wesker018 said:
but also td 2 also says this:
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Yes, I want you to zoom in on this part.
General Nonduality: Characters existing in a nondual state regarding all dual systems within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them occupy both or neither state of the dualities in question. This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that don't also possess this level of nonduality, though characters scaling to more logical states than the ones mentioned can bypass this immunity.
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