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Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki

ShionAH said:
bro put Bill in 12 or 11, others cannot kill him and he can maybe transmutate Azrael
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dr strange, the devourer, the player (imscared) all have chances to win against bill
i'll just put pull at 14th for now and remove azrael coz his profile is so ass
 
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The Sugar Swan

The Sugar Swan is an important supporting protagonist in Cookie Run: Kingdom and a minor background character in Cookie Run: OvenBreak and LINE Cookie Run. One of the legendary wielders of cosmic power that built the world on an afternoon tea set, the Sugar Swan watches over the Cookie World to...
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ShionAH said:
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who do u think would win
bill cipher or timekeeper cookie
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Timekeeper Cookie

Timekeeper Cookie is a Legendary Cookie in Cookie Run: OvenBreak. She is the future/alternate reality version of Croissant Cookie, and the director of the Time Balance Department. During the events of Operation Timeguard, Timekeeper Cookie starts messing with timelines and frames GingerBrave out...
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Robo432343 said:
who do u think would win
bill cipher or timekeeper cookie
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Timekeeper Cookie

Timekeeper Cookie is a Legendary Cookie in Cookie Run: OvenBreak. She is the future/alternate reality version of Croissant Cookie, and the director of the Time Balance Department. During the events of Operation Timeguard, Timekeeper Cookie starts messing with timelines and frames GingerBrave out...
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Bill probably snaps and wins
 
Brogeefrong said:
Bill probably snaps and wins
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i think it'll be close
it says on her standard tactics
"All of her Treasures and Pets are passive, and activate their abilities to their fullest efficiency as soon as a battle starts. After this, she is a wildcard"
 
She doesnt have Idea/NEP3 NPI so I don't think she can put Bill down for good. Also her starting move is Time BFR which Bill just comes back from/snaps her away
 
ShionAH said:
okay? you do know "conceptual bfr" doesnt exist right.
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?
i said time, not BFR

ShionAH said:
tf do they do, you never explained
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coz these are her passives
Flight (All Pets can fly, and can carry Cookies from bottomless pits and ascend them to Bonus Time), Deconstruction (Several Pets, such as Antique Bookmark, can disintegrate obstacles and enemies), Sound Manipulation and Existence Erasure (via Producer Mic, who can erase obstacles from existence with soundwaves), Black Hole Creation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Light Manipulation and Time Manipulation (via Continuum Cog in its' Loops of Time form), Reality Warping (via Dreamcatcher), Speed Amplification and Air Manipulation (via Windcatcher), Explosion Manipulation (via Giggle Bomb), Resurrection (via several Pets, such as Magmabird), Platform Creation (via Emerald Golem), Ice Manipulation (via Thundersnow Yeti), Stamina Amplification (via several Pets, such as Dragon Fruitling), Transmutation (via several Pets, such as Choco Drop), Forcefield Creation (via Nectar Delight), Creation and Size Manipulation (via Ghost Butler), BFR (via Dark Spirit Helmet), Water Manipulation (via Ocean Dragon), Mind Manipulation (via Eerie Anglerfish, which hypnotizes fish), Martial Arts (via Master Prune), Summoning (via Book of Wizdom), Empathic Manipulation (via Pink Candy), Stamina Reduction and Poison Manipulation (via Dripping Tear Jar), Soul Manipulation (via Flame Bat), Magic (via Mini Jackson No. 2), Precognition, Energy Manipulation, Darkness Manipulation and Resistance to Stamina Reduction (via Eternal Eye of Darkness)

her conceptual time stuff will keep passively repeating
1000


Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2. Continuum Cog can create the concept of time and destroy it),
 
Okay? So it will...passively destroy Bill? Is that what you mean? 'Cause Bill isn't a concept he is an idea that exists and doesn't exist at the same time.

You aren't giving me much other than copying the profile
 
ShionAH said:
Okay? So it will...passively destroy Bill? Is that what you mean? 'Cause Bill isn't a concept he is an idea that exists and doesn't exist at the same time.
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no, not passively destroy bill
passively destroying time, going to the end of time etc

Bills AE and NEP is his mindscape form tho?
 
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The Sugar Swan

I shall keep watch over the world, so that your efforts are not in vain... No curse shall taint this land..Sugar Swan The Sugar Swan is an important supporting protagonist in Cookie Run: Kingdom and a minor background character in Cookie Run: OvenBreak and LINE Cookie Run. One of the legendary...
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She should be added. She has Concept Manip Type 1 and Non-Duality. Which is.. cool.
 
Ar1216789 said:
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The Sugar Swan

I shall keep watch over the world, so that your efforts are not in vain... No curse shall taint this land..Sugar Swan The Sugar Swan is an important supporting protagonist in Cookie Run: Kingdom and a minor background character in Cookie Run: OvenBreak and LINE Cookie Run. One of the legendary...
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She should be added. She has Concept Manip Type 1 and Non-Duality. Which is.. cool.
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does sugar swan have every single ability in the verse
 
Robo432343 said:
nonduality is one of the most useless abilities to exist now
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Will she be added on the list? Just an FYI she also has Large Size Type 10.. Just so you can understand how she views things.. (She views Low 2-C Structures akin to a grain of sugar, and the cosmology as a tea set)
 
Ben_CleverName said:
I mean if that's true then why is Slay the Princess rated so high in the first place?
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AE1 and Transduality type 1 & 2, Transdual > Nondual

Also
Robo432343 said:
yeah, i don't know where to place her though
i was thinking top 7
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I think you should remove Scared Ancestor from the list, he is oudated character, there is some revisions to remove and change abilities before which was accepted but no one bother to apply the changes to the profile. There ia also a currently ongoing CRT to upgrade his tier but get nowhere
 
Vietthai96 said:
AE1 and Transduality type 1 & 2, Transdual > Nondual
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Right, except a good portion of other characters on the list already have AE Type 1, and Transduality is meaningless as it is, given the reasons that have already been highlighted on this thread. Either you're trying to assume "qualitative superiority" over concepts thus describing something that is 1-A (and thus doesn't belong on this thread) or you're assuming a random description of Transduality over what the wiki actually says about the topic. If you assume that it's the old description, then you're trying to describe a 6D character, which again would not belong on this thread.
 
Ben_CleverName said:
Right, except a good portion of other characters on the list already have AE Type 1, and Transduality is meaningless as it is, given the reasons that have already been highlighted on this thread. Either you're trying to assume "qualitative superiority" over concepts thus describing something that is 1-A (and thus doesn't belong on this thread) or you're assuming a random description of Transduality over what the wiki actually says about the topic. If you assume that it's the old description, then you're trying to describe a 6D character, which again would not belong on this thread.
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Idk why you clinging on transdual should be either 1-A or 6D, we discussing what currently on the profile, not what it could potentially is. Due to @DontTalkDT revision Nondual is useless while Transdual is still busted like before, except probably type 1 transdual, type 2 and 3 is still completely uninteractable. If you believe profile with transdual should be either 1-A or 6D, make a CRT about it

Also AE1 have many types, just because you can interact with one or two types doesn't mean you can interact with other types
 
Vietthai96 said:
Idk why you clinging on transdual should be either 1-A or 6D, we discussing what currently on the profile, not what it could potentially is. Due to @DontTalkDT revision Nondual is useless while Transdual is still busted like before, except probably type 1 transdual, type 2 and 3 is still completely uninteractable. If you believe profile with transdual should be either 1-A or 6D, make a CRT about it
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If you're discussing what's currently on the profile then transduality just straight up is 1-A, it directly invokes qualitative superiority. Also, no disrespect to DT, but I kinda don't care about what was said by him on it if it's not on the page for Nonduality. On that matter:
Nonduality grants the user immunity to attacks and haxes bound by the duality in question, as someone absent of the logical systems that govern those effects would leave them no means to affect their being.
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Meanwhile, the page also describes transduality as being "nonduality but with qualitative superiority", and to leave no doubt as to what qualitative superiority implied, it linked to the qualitative superiority page (before and after current tiering system):
On the other hand, characters with transduality exist outside and independently of the logical systems that they're nondual regarding while also possessing qualitative superiority to them
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Also AE1 have many types, just because you can interact with one or two types doesn't mean you can interact with other types
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Then maybe it should be specified what "type" of AE 1 you're talking about. I assume you're talking about Type 1 though, which isn't a unique feature on this list.
 
Ben_CleverName said:
If you're discussing what's currently on the profile then transduality just straight up is 1-A, it directly invokes qualitative superiority.
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we discussing what on the profile, just because transdual can be 1-A doesn't invalidate this discussion because currently, the profile that have transdual in question is Low 1-C, so no matter what you say, it still Low 1-C thus the discussion is valid. If you have problem with it, make a CRT to make them 1-A, or downgrade their transdual to nondual
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Also, no disrespect to DT, but I kinda don't care about what was said by him on it if it's not on the page for Nonduality. On that matter:
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You don't care what he said, but he himself made the revision, changed standard, and we discussing what standard provide, what is accepted, not what we think something should be, potentially be. If you have problem with it, change the standard made by DontTalk. By your logic, i could just say that i don't care what other say, my favorite verse is boundless and solo the rest of fictions

Anyway, no offend, but all this arguments from you just hinged on: "They are transdual they should be 1-A so this discussion is invalid, but they are not 1-A so their transdual is meaningless, thus they should not be that high on the list"
You just arbitrary invalidate a power because it not what you think it should be, that not how it work

Ben_CleverName said:
Then maybe it should be specified what "type" of AE 1 you're talking about. I assume you're talking about Type 1 though, which isn't a unique feature on this list.
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I'm not the verse supporters, i just explain what existing on the profile from my own knowledges
 
Vietthai96 said:
we discussing what on the profile, just because transdual can be 1-A doesn't invalidate this discussion because currently, the profile that have transdual in question is Low 1-C, so no matter what you say, it still Low 1-C thus the discussion is valid. If you have problem with it, make a CRT to make them 1-A, or downgrade their transdual to nondual
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It's not a matter of "Transduality can be 1-A", it literally is 1-A, as the transduality page already shows, and as such any mentionings of transduality should either be interpreted as 1-A or assumed to be equal to nonduality which is not unreasonable, as the page itself specifies that the only difference between nonduality and transduality is that the latter involves qualitative superiority. That's literally on the page, the specific reason why transduality "immunizes attempts to force dualities onto a character" is because of qualitative superiority, and you're simultaneously opting for ignoring the qualitative superiority part (arguing that it isn't 1-A because the profile doesn't have 1-A listed as a tier) and opting for using it in scaling by offering "transduality" the benefits that are solely derived from a relationship of qualitative superiority.

You don't care what he said, but he himself made the revision, changed standard, and we discussing what standard provide, what is accepted, not what we think something should be, potentially be. If you have problem with it, change the standard made by DontTalk. By your logic, i could just say that i don't care what other say, my favorite verse is boundless and solo the rest of fictions
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I literally quoted the standards to you verbatim, that's why I said I didn't care about what was "said" on the topic. Mind you, the page does contradict itself (ironic, given that it involves contradictions as characters) by saying Nonduality grants immunities and then backpedaling by saying "Actually the immunities are only present if the verse acknowledges that those immunities are because of nonduality", but regardless, I'm openly using the wiki's own standards that were published in this conversation, so your weird attempt to portray me as ignoring the standards to argue in favor of certain characters doesn't work. I'm just as aware that it's likely that the pages are going to be revised soon, either way.
 
Ben_CleverName said:
It's not a matter of "Transduality can be 1-A", it literally is 1-A, as the transduality page already shows, and as such any mentionings of transduality should either be interpreted as 1-A or assumed to be equal to nonduality which is not unreasonable, as the page itself specifies that the only difference between nonduality and transduality is that the latter involves qualitative superiority. That's literally on the page, the specific reason why transduality "immunizes attempts to force dualities onto a character" is because of qualitative superiority, and you're simultaneously opting for ignoring the qualitative superiority part (arguing that it isn't 1-A because the profile doesn't have 1-A listed as a tier) and opting for using it in scaling by offering "transduality" the benefits that are solely derived from a relationship of qualitative superiority.
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On the other hand, characters with transduality exist outside and independently of the logical systems that they're nondual regarding while also possessing qualitative superiority to them. Besides immunizing them against the dualities in question, this power also immunizes them against attempts to apply those dualities to them, as they would transcend the scope of the haxes that could do so.
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Please read

Ben_CleverName said:
I literally quoted the standards to you verbatim, that's why I said I didn't care about what was "said" on the topic. Mind you, the page does contradict itself (ironic, given that it involves contradictions as characters) by saying Nonduality grants immunities and then backpedaling by saying "Actually the immunities are only present if the verse acknowledges that those immunities are because of nonduality", but regardless, I'm openly using the wiki's own standards that were published in this conversation, so your weird attempt to portray me as ignoring the standards to argue in favor of certain characters doesn't work. I'm just as aware that it's likely that the pages are going to be revised soon, either way.
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If the page contradict itself, make CRT about it, no matter what you say, it is what it is
 
Honestly, sora’s haxes are not passive or layered IIRC, what is preventing a dbh time god from just idk timestoping him or smth?
 
segetero said:
Honestly, sora’s haxes are not passive or layered IIRC, what is preventing a dbh time god from just idk timestoping him or smth?
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Yeah, Sora haxes need to hit to activate his hax, anyone who is worth their weight in salt can just...Activate their KI and meme sora with 5-D range. Doesn't help how the strongest characters negate Sora regeneration with several layers
 
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