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Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki

ignoring the layers thread, who do you think would win Goku or sonic when he gets 5D?
it would go back to the scaling chains and those havent been hashed out, id go with sonic bcuz speed amps and his base went from L4-C to L2-C and Super/Hyper would get that multiplier so he could have higher ap
 
sonic vs dbh when?
i think it would be incon
Well, we made a bunch of matches like that in the past, when they are in the same tier, and DBH have won almost all of them. Stamina reduction is kinda OP.

We stop, because someone said they need a scaling chain for both series.
 
It’s pretty much accepted sonic is 5D
Happiest day of my Vs debating life. While Sonic doesn't have a way to Kill the Looney Toons cast due to High-Godly, does he have ways to incapacitate them? The God Tiers of Sonic seem to resist alot of the broken stuff both the Looney Toons cast and The Wizard 101 characters have to throw at them while having their own shenanigans. I think the Sonic characters should go in the #5 slot, above the Wizard 101 cast but below Kratos due to his Conceptual Invulnerability and Hax layers. Though I do wonder how a fight with Magic Chris Thorndyke would go now that Kingdom Hearts lost it's 27 layers.
 
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I'm not sure if they have Type 1 Concept Hax like Sonic people do.
Shadow Magic is cm type 1 according to spiders profile

I remember a guy made a crt for magic being cm 1, it was accepted but the changes weren’t applied
 
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