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Strongest 5D Characters on the Wiki

Robo432343 said:
ignoring the layers thread, who do you think would win Goku or sonic when he gets 5D?
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it would go back to the scaling chains and those havent been hashed out, id go with sonic bcuz speed amps and his base went from L4-C to L2-C and Super/Hyper would get that multiplier so he could have higher ap
 
Robo432343 said:
sonic vs dbh when?
i think it would be incon
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Well, we made a bunch of matches like that in the past, when they are in the same tier, and DBH have won almost all of them. Stamina reduction is kinda OP.

We stop, because someone said they need a scaling chain for both series.
 
Robo432343 said:
ZI-O has every single rider ability which includes plot hax 🗿
thats why i dont think its incon
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However, 69omazio only has the power of the Heisei Kamen Rider and does not have the power of the Showa Peace Kamen Rider
 
Robo432343 said:
It’s pretty much accepted sonic is 5D
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Happiest day of my Vs debating life. While Sonic doesn't have a way to Kill the Looney Toons cast due to High-Godly, does he have ways to incapacitate them? The God Tiers of Sonic seem to resist alot of the broken stuff both the Looney Toons cast and The Wizard 101 characters have to throw at them while having their own shenanigans. I think the Sonic characters should go in the #5 slot, above the Wizard 101 cast but below Kratos due to his Conceptual Invulnerability and Hax layers. Though I do wonder how a fight with Magic Chris Thorndyke would go now that Kingdom Hearts lost it's 27 layers.
 
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Ben was finally made mod on CSAP, it took ages despite bro clearly being knowledgeable AF and everyone already treating him as staff before he actually was one.
 
Also for the record, W101 is really weak on VSBW compared to how strong it should be. It’s comparable to Ben 10, my Ben 10 scaling.
 
Robo432343 said:
I see gow ppl saying cm 1>>>info
This can be settled if someone makes a qna thread and a staff member answers them
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Was settled a long time ago by the DBH bros, I think the GoW people are right from a logical standpoint but I doubt it’ll fly on here.
 
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Oh boi… I don’t have much for R > F, so outer^2, same as on CSAP (they call it high outer there). This is assuming I can prove all of CN is a single verse.
 
Robo432343 said:
I see gow ppl saying cm 1>>>info
Only way This can be settled if someone makes a qna thread and a staff member answers them
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It’s literally how the site works.

If you regenerate from conceptual 1 erasure; it doesn’t mean you can regenerate from info 2 erasure. The same logic applies here they’re incomparable. There’s no need to get this settled because that’s literally how it works. It’s like saying if you argue resisting Law Manipulation means you resist Reality Warping, they’re incomparable.
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
It’s literally how the site works.

If you regenerate from conceptual 1 erasure; it doesn’t mean you can regenerate from info 2 erasure. The same logic applies here they’re incomparable. There’s no need to get this settled because that’s literally how it works. It’s like saying if you argue resisting Law Manipulation means you resist Reality Warping, they’re incomparable.
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If that’s how the site works then why tf are people disagreeing with the standards without making a crt
Its best I make a qna
 
Robo432343 said:
I see gow ppl saying cm 1>>>info
Only way This can be settled if someone makes a qna thread and a staff member answers them
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Brogeefrong said:
By default yeah Cm1 is above Info Type 2, but both DBH and Sonic have Info type 2 on a higher degree
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This was already Done
The general consensus as of now is that Plot Manipulation, Concept Type 1 and Info Type 2 are all comparably equivalent to each other by default

No Hax is innately or by default superior to the other in any regard unless by specific inverse context of that being the case
 
Asides from soon having Law/Causality hax, Super Sonic has the following:

1. Type 1 & 4 Acausality
2. Type 1 CM
3. Type 2 Info hax
4. Invulnerability and Negation of Invulnerability
5. Power null
6. Low Godly Regen negation
7. Speed amps up the wazoo
8. Dream Manipulation


And resistance to:
  • Law Hax
  • Memory Hax
  • Death Manipulation
  • Concept Hax (Type 1)
  • Dream Hax
  • Type 2 Info Hax
  • Reality Warping
 
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Btw is vampire hunter’s plot manip layered, cause Sonic has plot manipulation resistance, although they might get removed cuz upgrades so it might be null answering this
 
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