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Steven Universe Discussion Thread #2: Revenge of the Gems

Or about the show's concept of "Human Zoo" and Pink Diamond rant that Pearl's relationship is like a slave falling in love with her master.
 
With the Human Zoo, it's not depicted as a good thing. It's framed as an idyllic paradise at first, but the episode makes it a point of showing that the zoomans, whether they know it or not, are worse off being in captivity. And in regards to Rose and Pearl's relationship, it also frames it as something that, in the end, was toxic for Pearl in a number of ways. And her whole arc is centered around her developing away from her obsession with Rose, because in the end it wasn't healthy.
 
Blue Diamond and Yellow really aren't villians. They were potrayed as villians mainly because of a Civil War Pink Diamond started because she was too immature to handle the situation and not taken seriously. Which to be honest only makes more sense why Yellow didn't think she was ready for a colony.


I mean, I'm not saying Blue and Yellow are pure (cause they're not from the genocide of potential organic life on other planets) but sometimes Yellow and Blue are right about Pink. SHE WASN'T READY FOR A COLONY
 
Pepper14832 said:
Blue Diamond and Yellow really aren't villians. They were potrayed as villians mainly because of a Civil War Pink Diamond started because she was too immature to handle the situation and not taken seriously. Which to be honest only makes more sense why Yellow didn't think she was ready for a colony.


I mean, I'm not saying Blue and Yellow are pure (cause they're not from the genocide of potential organic life on other planets) but sometimes Yellow and Blue are right about Pink. SHE WASN'T READY FOR A COLONY
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"because she was too immature to handle the situation" wait, where's her fault in the Diamonds being too much of galactic fascists to realize that constant genocides, slavery, incredibly strict caste system and purge of everyone not being perfect in their eyes isn't okay?
 
That's not her fault. But how she went on trying to defy and save Earth was reckless and made very little sense.

Sure, start a Rebellion. But there's no realistic way that the Diamond Authority will allow it.

Fine, take the idenity of Rose Quartz, because she was to scared to lead the rebellion as a Diamond herself.

Sure, fake your death. Now an untold number of gems are corrputed and suffering for thousands of years until your son recognizes his powers and your sisters return to find the state you're in.

I'm not even going to begin with all the lies.


The Earth wasn't saved, all those that fought with her are corrupted besides Garnet, Amethyst, Pearl and Bismuth. Pink Diamond isn't perfect either.

As Peridot said. She didn't really save Earth. Steven probably will.
 
"Sure, start a Rebellion. But there's no realistic way that the Diamond Authority will allow it." The whole point of rebelling is that you don't care if who you are rebelling against allows it or not.

"Fine, take the idenity of Rose Quartz, because she was to scared to lead the rebellion as a Diamond herself. " There was literally no way she could lead a rebellion as a Diamond. This just makes literally no sense. The only ones who would follow her would be her soldiers who don't care about her agenda and just follow her because "she'd my Diamond", while most actual rebels would rightfully think this is just Pink trying to get more power for herself. This wouldn't even be a rebellion anymore. Fighting as Rose also allowed Pink to significantly weaken Homeworld forces. Both leaking all the intel, making intentionally bad decisions (like building Beta in literally the worst place possible), without anyone noticing a thing. Also, other Diamonds didn't interfere as much during the early stages of the Rebellion specifically because they were thinking "this is just some random quartz, how bad can it be". If Pink were to fight as herself, they would instantly go without mercy, she would get locked up for few thousand years (assuming White doesn't do anything worse), while Earth would get colonized by either Blue or Yellow.

"Sure, fake your death. Now an untold number of gems are corrputed and suffering for thousands of years until your son recognizes his powers and your sisters return to find the state you're in."

Look. When you're fighting a medieval war, you don't prepare for your enemy having a nuke. Corruption was a weapon so secret, not only Pink had no idea it existed, but even Blue and Yellow didn't understand what it even does, even tho they were the ones using it. Other than that, faking her death was pretty damn effective. While she expected Diamonds to not care about her and just leave (which is also reasonable, at that time they were stupidly cold to her), the opposite effect was still significant. Blue became absolutely dysfunctional for 5000 years, Yellow was both horribly overworked and emotionally destroyed. Homeworld forces were a mess, all while Crystal Gems had the biggest moment of "OMG WE DID IT" in history. Homeworld Gems realized that "huh, apparently the diamonds aren't immortal perfect gods", which caused even more of them to flip to CGs.

"I'm not even going to begin with all the lies. "

And don't, because they are insignificant on a scale of a 1000 year war.

"The Earth wasn't saved, all those that fought with her are corrupted besides Garnet, Amethyst, Pearl and Bismuth. Pink Diamond isn't perfect either. " Again, there was no way to predict Corruption. The only other solution is to just stay under Homeworld, let it destroy all organics, and have all gems stay living as slaves, not knowing if they will survive the next day because their superior is in a bad mood. Maybe Pink didn't manage to defeat Homeworld. But she saved 50 billion humans, an uncountable number of other organics. She gave hope for "who even knows how many" gems. She threw Homeworld into a horrible resource crisis and made its leaders pathetic.
 
I love how Lily Orchard is criticizing Rose Quartz as if the actual damn show itself isn't also dragging her through the mud. She thinks Rose being an ambiguously moraled person isn't the exact point they're trying to make. Rose isn't supposed to perfect. She's supposed to be selfish and have a lack of foresight. She's supposed to make decisions that may have a worse effect than she thought it would. No one treats her like an all good benefactor who was a martyr for the Earth, because we know a lot of what she did was at best shady. Lily Orchard is just straight up lying about half the things she says in the video and it's crazy.
 
To be fair, the show constantly teases us about the lore of Homeworld, and yet there are still many holes in the plot. One of my many pet peeves is the fact that they state that Gems are a conquering race, but up till now, we still have not seen any other sentient race besides the humans. Have they been taking over empty planets? Do they have prisoners of war locked up in prisons? Where are these other Gem planets?

SU's worldbuilding is slow and drawn out and whatever they show us is breadcrumbs compared to what most other lore heavy shows out there give us. I have to agree with Lily on a few points, especially the technical aspects. Why do we give SU a pass on consistent character models when many other more competent shows can do it to a much better degree? This is also the same network that pumped out The Amazing World of Gumball and Uncle Grandpa, two of the most visually stylistic shows of our generation. If TAWoG can maintain the same character models when their art styles include 3D and 2D animation mixed with real life filming, why can't SU, which is all done with digital animation?

You have to agree, some parts of SU is just lazy. Doesn't mean I still don't enjoy the show.
 
It could be possible that the Gems genocided the other races, fitting with how Yellow Diamond hates organic life and wanted to have a whole planet destroyed with the cluster.
 
Well, SU is animated by 2 different animation companies so differences are bound to happen. Plus the show regularly changes storyboarders due to the hiatuses since they have to look for new work.
 
Udlmaster said:
This is a bit of a necro but has relivent information, that Blue diamond's sadness aura does actually affect non-Gems.
It worked on Lion and Connie, which neither are Gems
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If this is about that moment in Reunited, it's an animation error. No other time are organics affected. Not Lars in The Trial, not Connie in the same episode 2 minutes earlier, not Connie in Change Your Mind (where she's actually talking about Steven being affected)
 
Nope, Pearl even noted in the comic that the glass ghost was a rare instance of a corrupted gem keeping almost all of their powers even after being corrupted
 
Steven let the glass ghost hug his bubble which coated it in glass and then popped the bubble and destroyed the ghosts body
 
Not as weird as the one corrupted gem from the comics that they beat with the power of music

Or the one they beat with salty food

Or the Harmony Core that turns into a giant mech
 
Welp, not the most advanced NPI as the Ghost Glass is not immaterial, it just control its density (something that should be added), so oversized attacks can still affect it just as any Elemental Intangibility user.
 
But the difference from what we've seen is that Blue's passive Sadness hax don't work on humans, but when she did the one that worked on Connie, she actively used it, as we see her charge it up. Which would show that her active and passive have different levels of power, as her passive causes them to cry and fusions to fall apart if they're not stable enough, but her active caused them to fall to their knees, which was different, we also see the same thing with Lapis, where her passive wasn't even phasing Lapis when she threw the Barn at Blue, but her active caused her to tear up but wasn't potent enough to force her down.
 
Also, don't Gems have Tardis space technology with the Ruby space ships, as they're around the size of Garnet but they're much larger on the inside?
 
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