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Steven Universe and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Downgrade

Maverick_Zero_X said:
A Gem warship no-sold a blast from four cannons, and YD punched through her ship.

Regular Gems shouldn’t scale to the cannon since Garnet said it was more powerful than herself, though.
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Okay, then Diamonds should get island level (if that calc still holds weight)

as for the regular gems, the only two noteworthy AP feats that I remember is Garnet (a fusion) causing a mountain to collapse and Sapphire hitting a home run. Old 2017 calc found here for the HR
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Though not sure if we can apply AP scaling to the rest of the gems to a character hitting a baseball?
 
Vizer04 said:
Curious how you purposely change "want" for "need"...
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My bad. Correction:
"I want my cluster"
My point still stands that if the diamonds are capable of even a fraction of 4-B or low 4-C AP, they would not need the cluster and they wouldn't need to rely on their ship mechs to fend off the cluster which is not even at full strength. Yellow Diamond clearly wanted the Earth gone, but obviously lacked the AP to do it.
 
On another note here, I've always had a problem with Lapis' ratings because we actually see how Lapis gems terraform in Steven Universe Future.

They use water attacks to slice apart landmasses chunks at a time. The two from Future even stated that Lapis' superior techniques would allow them to terraform the land much more quickly than before. It may be a fun process for them, but it's certainly time consuming and not actually done by manipulating oceans on a global or even continental scale.

Also, Lapis was fused with Jasper when she trapped trapped Malachite under the ocean. While they don't outright gain new abilities, abilities from even a single fusee are shown to increase massively.
 
Monster Steven and Obsidian should still be High 6-A (Monster Steven overpowered the Partially Formed Cluster, Obsidian cleaved through the Blue and Yellow Diamond Arm ships)
 
Adem_Warlock69 said:
Monster Steven and Obsidian should still be High 6-A (Monster Steven overpowered the Partially Formed Cluster, Obsidian cleaved through the Blue and Yellow Diamond Arm ships)
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This, I'm fine with.
 
Vizer04 said:
That's... not what i said. The 4-B calc should stay since no one, i repeat, no one has bothered to explain why isn't valid.
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AKM sama said:
If I am getting your calc right, you are saying that a 4-B amount of energy was released right around Earth's surface and then enveloped it, but Earth was intact without a scratch?
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Adem_Warlock69 said:
Monster Steven and Obsidian should still be High 6-A (Monster Steven overpowered the Partially Formed Cluster, Obsidian cleaved through the Blue and Yellow Diamond Arm ships)
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Gems, including Lapis and cluster only wanted to hold Steven at bay. I doubt the partially formed Cluster was going 100% same as Lapis. They obviously weren't trying to hurt Steven, even in his Monster form.
 
Monster Steven still hurt the cluster and cluster preformed it’s feat just by awakening, so Steven would still scale regardless.

Also, somewhat unrelated, I want to point out 7-A Steven Universe was supposed to be downgraded. Unfortunately the forum move happened and nuked the downgrade thread, but I remember most the arguements.

Like the characters have no reason to scale to the random comic ship as nobody fought it, majority of the other feats are weather manipulation with no proof it should scale physically, and some of the feats got recalced to 7-B. Though I’m at work right now (on break), so I’ll relook over that stuff later. I just wanted to point that out because I distinctly remember Steven Universe was supposed to be downgrade yet never was. (Oh also Connie’s 9-B feat comes from a comic that was retconned out of canon).
 
I was just looking into the Ruby feat. They got the speed from a different scene, so that shouldn’t be used. On another note I’ve heard a ton of the comic got removed from canon by one of the staff so was that comic ship in one of non canon comics or the canon one. And should the characters really scale to a ship nobody interacted with in a one off comic that the show never notices. Seems very strange that would be the main feat every character scales to even if it still is canon.
 
Though I should point out the temple explosion in either season 1 or 2 (the death trap one) was calculated at low 7-C and everyone face tanked it so the gems being tier 7 is definitely still going to be the case. I remember the downgrade was just supposed to make them 7-B so not a massive drop and it seems peridot’s escape pod and the mountain toppling are probably going to be the new main feats. Unless the comic ship is still useable but I have no clue why anyone scales to that when nobody fought or survived a hit from that ship. And it preformed it’s feat through heat so it wouldn’t even scale to the ship itself.
 
The ship one isn't really even accurate. It was a lightning bolt that turned the glass to sand, not the surrounding temperature.

Also, If we're not scaling anyone to Lapis' water powers, nobody should scale to blizzard powers. They scale to higher feats, anyway.
Keeweed said:
Though I should point out the temple explosion in either season 1 or 2 (the death trap one) was calculated at low 7-C and everyone face tanked it so the gems being tier 7 is definitely still going to be the case.
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Might have to check that one, it could be divided due to surface area and distance.
 
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  • The two snowstorms are Environmental Destruction (unless I’m missing something)
  • The 7-A Ruby calc is Calc Stacking
  • The comic ship thing isn’t accurate to begin with (Heat feat + no one ever interacted with it)
That leaves:
  • Garnet’s mountain split (can’t find calc)
  • Peridot’s Escape Pod (City level+)
So they’re dropping a Tier then, rip
 
Steven was literally on the cause of the explosion (the low 7-C temple explosion). I think they fully scale. Doesn’t matter much anyways, it’s purely support.
 
 
The_real_cal_howard said:
If the sun releases multi continental levels of energy per second on the earth, how come the planets surface isn’t just magma?
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Not to be that guy but this is a hilarious false equivalence. The sun releases 384.6 septillion watts per second, which is 3.846e+26 joules or over 91.921606118547870 petatons, which is indeed high 6-A.
However Only one one-billionth of that energy reaches earth, which is 3.846e+17 joules or 91.92160611854789 megatons (7-B+).
Not to mention this is heat based energy so there's no 7-B force in the slightest.

Just wanted to point that out.
 
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Maverick_Zero_X said:
  • Sapphire —> 8-A, Low 7-B via Environmental Destruction
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It's not environmental destruction, just mass-energy conversion that doesn't scale to AP. It's unnecessary to have it.
Maverick_Zero_X said:
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Garnet crushed her with absolute ease. I think that warrants at least 7-B for her and anyone that directly scales (Pearl and Amethyst don't scale directly, they're consistently stated to be much less powerful but can still fight her).
Maverick_Zero_X said:
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The diamonds might be getting some much higher ratings. We'll give you an update on that.
 
im fine with the downgrades/proposed changes. im fine with steven scaling to the cluster due to peridot statement and being able to overpower it. i have issues with it still, since Yellow's ship was able to tango with the cluster as well, but if others are willing to accept that then fine.

steven pink state should be at least 7-B since he is tapping into his diamond powers.
 
I don't know what the outcome of the 4-B thread is, but as long as the scaling is made clear on this thread, there is nothing more I have to say. The actual feats and calcs can be covered on another thread.

Lapis' High 6-A feat is ED and Fusions and Diamonds don't scale to it.

Monster Steven scales to Cluster's arm.

Everyone else remains as they are.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
I don't know what the outcome of the 4-B thread is
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4-B won't get accepted. If you want to make any changes, I guess you can just go ahead and do that if this thread is finished.
 
That's fine. I'll just adjust them to 6-C now with updated justification. You can adjust them to High 6-B or whatever after you conclude the other thread since the justifications for scaling between characters will remain the same.
 
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