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Steven Universe and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Downgrade

Wait, so if all 3 were needed to do this attack, wouldn’t that absolutely mean they don’t normally scale to it?

Isn’t all of this hax anyway? Where is the AP coming from?
 
The feat is Low 5-B because the luminescence required for light to traverse intergalactic distances requires that level of power. Environmental Destruction for a water goddess controlling water is remiss as well. Environmental Destruction in general is dumb but lord knows I don’t wanna pull the pin on that grenade. Finally I don’t think I need to discuss why Fusions, let alone Diamonds are below peak Lapis.
 
It proves that Steven's combat speed scales to the attack, so he's MFTL+
Wh- what? Again, both feats aren't AP. One is healing and the other is mind manip. They wouldn't have attack speeds, much less give Steven MFTL+ reaction speeds.
 
The feat is Low 5-B because the luminescence required for light to traverse intergalactic distances requires that level of power. Environmental Destruction for a water goddess controlling water is remiss as well. Environmental Destruction in general is dumb but lord knows I don’t wanna pull the pin on that grenade. Finally I don’t think I need to discuss why Fusions, let alone Diamonds are below peak Lapis.
Thank you.

So if that’s the case, why, again, is this scaled to them normally? Why is it assumed all of their attacks would be on that level? Isn’t the beam itself a hax meant to instantly destroy ONLY the gems? Why is that counted for normal AP if it affects nothing but gems?

Blue said it would destroy all Gems on Earth, the Corruption was a side effect since Pink was needed in the attack.
But if it only affects gems, why isn’t it a type of hax? The diamonds control the other gems, as you have shown with mind manipulation and such. So why wouldn’t this ability just be a hax meant to destroy them and then alone?
 
But why didn’t it damage the actual planet then? If it’s that strong of an attack, wouldn’t it have done something to the planet itself? Why use the cluster if they could nuke it from homeworld? And if they saw it didn’t work, why not do it again?
 
But why didn’t it damage the actual planet then? If it’s that strong of an attack, wouldn’t it have done something to the planet itself? Why use the cluster if they could nuke it from homeworld? And if they saw it didn’t work, why not do it again?
If the sun releases multi continental levels of energy per second on the earth, how come the planets surface isn’t just magma? The Diamond scenario is the same reason.

Luminance traveling that distance won’t planet bust.
 
If the sun releases multi continental levels of energy per second on the earth, how come the planets surface isn’t just magma? The Diamond scenario is the same reason.

Luminance traveling that distance won’t planet bust.
But the luminance clearly has a level of force by what Vizer just said. So it’s not just light. It parted clouds planet-wide. Has that been calculated?
 
This is my suggestion:

Let's keep all the other characters just like they were before the upgrade, you can do whatever you want with them.

However, the 4-B calc should still apply for two very important characters: Steven and his mom
 
The Diamonds didn't try to destroy Earth, because they couldn't. They don't have the destructive abilities to do that, but the strongest Diamond do have the AP: Pink Diamond. The Corruption Light didn't destroy Earth because Pink wasn't there to perform the attack with the other Diamonds since she was "dead".
 
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This is my suggestion:

Let's keep all the other characters just like the were before the upgrade, you can do whatever you want with them.

However, the 4-B calc should still apply for two very important characters: Steven and his mom
The 4-B was rejected though? Ant says so in the very calc you are linking.
 
Honestly the fact that they knew to use this attack to try to wipe out the gems on earth but didnt know that without pink it would corrupt the gems leads you to believe and implies that they did this at some point in the past with Pink still with them and it just annihilated whatever they used it on
Pink did this before and it had actual AP, unlike the other Diamonds.
 
The Diamonds didn't try to destroy Earth, because they couldn't. They don't have the destructive abilities to do that, but the strongest Diamond do have the AP: Pink Diamond. The Corruption Light didn't destroy Earth because Pink wasn't ther to perfrm the attack with the other Diamonds since she was "dead".
Wait, that doesn’t make any sense? You’re saying that they scale to enough energy to one shot the planet, and this was done WITHOUT Pink. So why would Pink be the one scaling to it alone?
Pink did this before and it had actual AP, unlike the other Diamonds.
Did they actually destroy planets before? Or only gems?
 
Wait, that doesn’t make any sense? You’re saying that they scale to enough energy to one shot the planet, and this was done WITHOUT Pink. So why would Pink be the one scaling to it alone?
Because she did that before as i explained.
Did they actually destroy planets before? Or only gems?
It doesn't matter:
If the sun releases multi continental levels of energy per second on the earth, how come the planets surface isn’t just magma? The Diamond scenario is the same reason. Luminance traveling that distance won’t planet bust.
 
Because she did that before as i explained.

It doesn't matter:
The claim is that the luminosity of the attack is what they scale to, but their attack is actually energy based and has force behind it. You showed that by stating the attack cleared clouds away on a global scale. So why isn’t the attack scaled by that?

The diamonds have done it before too, so why are you saying only Pink scales? Why wouldn’t Blue scale since she contributed?
 
The diamonds have done it before too, so why are you saying only Pink scales? Why wouldn’t Blue scale since she contributed?
Because their contribution didn't mean jack shit, it was all Pink's power. The other Diamonds didn't knew that and thought it would be a destructive attack but it ended as a "transmutation attack".
 
Because their contribution didn't mean jack shit, it was all Pink's power. The other Diamonds didn't knew that and thought it would be a destructive attack but it ended as a "transmutation attack".
But where was Pink’s contribution ever shown to cause actual damage? Wouldn’t they have realized the attack wasn’t working like normal and do more?
 
She didn't said "no Gem should have survived our attack".
But she’s referring to Nephrite in this instance, no? Because she’s shocked that a gem is alive? So where is the implication that she is putting “all sentient life on the planet” coming from? Don’t they already know that life is around on Earth via humans?

And even then, if it was a life wiping technique for all life, wouldn’t they have REALLY noticed that life just continued? Why even have the cluster at that point? And this still doesn’t prove Pink is the missing AP for a planet bust.
 
And again; the diamonds, without Pink, did a 4-B feat of luminosity. So why is Pink alone scaling to that?

Also? The feat was rejected and you haven’t told me the reason for why? Is there a thread where it was rejected?
 
But she’s referring to Nephrite in this instance, no? Because she’s shocked that a gem is alive? So where is the implication that she is putting “all sentient life on the planet” coming from? Don’t they already know that life is around on Earth via humans?
Peridot thought Humans were extinct long ago and were replaced by "Stevens" as the dominant species on Earth.
 
And even then, if it was a life wiping technique for all life, wouldn’t they have REALLY noticed that life just continued?
They didn't knew because they left, they didn't bothered to check if they were dead.
Why even have the cluster at that point?
They made the Cluster before that and it took a lot of work to create it so they wouldn't just throw it away.
And this still doesn’t prove Pink is the missing AP for a planet bust.
That's literally the in-verse explanation.
 
This feat can't be ignored just like that, it's literally the cause of the whole plot of the show.
 
Peridot thought Humans were extinct long ago and were replaced by "Stevens" as the dominant species on Earth.
So that proves the attack was a life wiping one if Pink was there.

So why is the 4-B calc being used and not just the fact that it would have life wiped? If the attack is not a beam of light, why is luminosity the determinator of its strength? Why isn’t the fact that it would destroy life on the planet being used for its AP?

They didn't knew because they left, they didn't bothered to check if they were dead.

They made the Cluster before that and it took a lot of work to create it so they wouldn't just throw it away.

That's literally the in-verse explanation.
So they were just lazy, cool. So now we’re just left with Pink not being the sole scaler.

They performed an AP attack without Pink, so it turned into a hax attack. So no one should scale to it in the first place. Not even Pink should scale, because she can’t do the life wipe by herself either.

If it takes all 4 diamonds to do a life wiping attack, and even 1 of them being missing results in the attack becoming a hax instead, why is it being used for their normal AP? Why is it being assumed that Pink, and ONLY PINK, being missing is what removes the AP portion? Wouldn’t it be any diamond being missing?
 
Honestly, i still don't understand why the luminosity calc isn't accepted. I'm just waiting for Ant to see this thread and answer my question.
 
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