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Been wanting to do this for a while, especially after playing through the game, again. To keep a long story short, four of Undertale's Tier 2 pages need some changes.
Chara
So Chara is currently "Likely 2-B" due to their feat of destroying the game, which we know both can and does contain multiples timelines. The reason this is considered to be more likely than not 2-B is the fact that the Anomaly's actions were, as noted by Sans, causing timelines to jump around, being created and be destroyed. Flowey did what the Anomaly did, but for a far, far longer period with much more abuse of space-time, so there should be enough timelines in total (which Chara destroys when breaking the game) to just be 2-B, right?
Well, here's the thing. Sans makes it clear that from these actions, multiple timelines have simply ended; as in, they've straight up stopped existing thanks to your actions. If this is the case, despite the fact that Flowey's shenanigans logically should have caused a vastly greater number of timelines to be created, they also likely destroyed quite a large amount of them, as well. There's simply no way to know just how many there were at any given time other than "a good amount". Because of this, I believe Chara should receive a slight rescaling of "At least 2-C, likely 2-B" to better account for the vague nature of the overall cosmology. The Anomaly should be rescaled to this, as well.
Omega Flowey
Stronger than Chara to an unknown degree, thus I think he should be affected in a similar fashion. He already showed the ability to generate and affect six separate files after destroying your main SAVE, which even gives a solid base for his low-end. "At least 2-C, likely 2-B".
Asriel Dreemurr
The main one I've been wanting to deal with. I've been meaning to downgrade Asriel for a good, long while. His current 2-A rating comes from the fact that compared to everyone else, including the other Tier 2s, his in-game stats are "∞". I still firmly believe this isn't just "lol random stats", because the in-game stats in Undertale aren't the real background stats in the game and only exist for lore purposes, but I do have issue with this making him flat out 2-A. The way I see it, it's more likely that he's just so far beyond everyone else that his power appears infinite in comparison. Omega Flowey treated that form as incomplete, while referring to his revived Asriel for as "God", so it's clearly an absolutely massive power difference between the two. We just don't know if it's actually infinite. Because of this, I believe something along the lines of "At least 2-B" would be safest for full power Asriel, as said tier could also be justified with a quick comparison to his incomplete form.
Frisk
Because Frisk is only capable of doing chip damage to Omega Flowey (and nothing at all to Asriel), their DETERMINATION boosted AP should really cap somewhere along the lines of "Likely 2-C" with the new scaling. Their durability should also be downgraded to match Asriel's new AP.
Annoying Dog
Shockingly unaffected by all of this.
tl;dr
Chara: Likely 2-B ----> At least 2-C, likely 2-B
Omega Flowey: 2-B ----> At least 2-C, likely 2-B
Asriel: 2-A | At least 2-A ----> 2-B | At least 2-B
Frisk: Likely 2-B with 2-A durability ----> Likely 2-C with (at least) 2-B durability
The Anomaly: Unknow. Possibly 2-B ----> Unknown. Likely 2-C, possibly 2-B
