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The point is moreso that he saw that his Gastanet didn't accomplish it, but he still thought that his other attack would do it.
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Some Random One Piece CRT
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The point is moreso that he saw that his Gastanet didn't accomplish it, but he still thought that his other attack would do it.
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I understand that, but that could be anything but AP.
Luffy outsped point blank (like literally point blank, they were touching him) Gastanet but he fired a fast beam after. I wouldn't say it's fully AP.
Also, question. I just noticed this from the first page which I applied to the sandbox
Didn't Usopp harm them with regular rocks..?
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Rocks fired through his special weapon.
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Fair then
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Via this I'm scrapping Base Luffy scaling to Caesar.
Is this enough to say that Chopper > Nami?
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Is there nothing else?Via this I'm scrapping Base Luffy scaling to Caesar.
Is this enough to say that Chopper > Nami?
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Currently his AP in my sandbox is this
And that's mainly it. Chopper fights fodder all post timeskip until Wano
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That works for me.
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Bruh what? We don’t separate AP for attacks unless there is no difference
Otherwise every profile would need to mention 50 different attacks
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How we rate the profiles is different to the specifics of how characters are scaled. Otherwise, to give an example, you could scale someone to the value of Naruto's most powerful Biju Bomb just because they tanked one of his regular Rasengans.
It's obviously impractical and unnecessary to assign a different rating to every single attack.
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One Piece ain’t Naruto tho, and I see no reason why Caesar’s Gastanet would be noticeably inferior in AP to his Gastille
They could very easily be comparable
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A better example is saying that we’re scaling someone to King Kong Gun because they took a regular pistol or a Kane.
The difference is that those attacks are portrayed to be superior, while these 2 random gas attacks have no difference
The difference is that those attacks are portrayed to be superior, while these 2 random gas attacks have no difference
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Damage you’re so close to committing an AOE fallacy. I’ll give you an example with the ace example you gave. Ace’s ultimate attack is calced to be at 7-A+, but ace passively going the Drum Island is High 7-A.. I don’t see why the potency would be severely different, when I just think that would be overall AOE, and I doubt that AP even works like that for characters, unless specifically stated to do so.
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Okay. Thank you for helping out.
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Nah, it was just about both being Cyborg, unless you're saying that Franky pre time skip can slaps all of strawhats at once
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AOE Fallacy is some of the biggest hypocrisy of the wiki. We only care about an attack's area of effect when it is useful to give the characters a good rating. Any kind of AOE anti-feat and we just dismiss it as "the attack clearly much stronger, it just didn't cause the same kind of effects on the environment because AOE fallacy."
This isn't the thread for me to be ranting about the AOE Fallacy though, so I'll stop here. It's just that it is tied to this idea of "Any attack a character uses is always equal to their strongest shown attack." That kind of mindset gets thrown around way too much.
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With this logic damage, people like goku would have the most consistent feats of being tier 9.
AOE Fallacy is perfectly balanced for scaling, but I don't see why you guys want to try to override it. Yes, that's how the AOE fallacy works btw damage, I just think you're confused, but let's not continue this and go back to focusing on the scaling.
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I meant post timeskip Franky having the same material as pasifista since he got also the same laser but there's no proof
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That would be a Strawman Argument. I'm obviously not suggesting we rate characters like Goku as 9-C.
I'm not confused. I just have a different opinion to you.
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I never said you assumed that, I'm just saying that's literally how the AOE fallacy would be put into play, because it's TRUE. If we didn't have it, goku's most consistent feats would literally be in tier 9.
Okay, then that's fine to have a different opinion, nothing wrong with you.
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But I was talking about Pre-Time Skip and the scan that u sent also was Pre-Time Skip
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That was Zoro not being able to fully cut a pasifista with one of his strongest attack plus said it's stronger then steel... That's all... Meaning post timeskip Franky durability possibly = monster trio ap... If he had the same material...
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Yes I know that Post time skip dudes are stronger than their pre time skip versions, and Franky profile currently already scales higher than Pacifista
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Is that base Franky? Edit: Probably is...
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Bro Idek how y’all went from a topic that was settled to an argument about AOE fallacy.
That wasn’t the AOE fallacy. AOE fallacy is saying one attack is smaller so it’s weaker, which he didn’t do.
Anyways
Oven’s dura > Kata’s dura without Haki.
Cracker scales to G4th, which means Kata scales.
Who scales off of those, and what feats does Kata without Haki have?
That wasn’t the AOE fallacy. AOE fallacy is saying one attack is smaller so it’s weaker, which he didn’t do.
Anyways
Oven’s dura > Kata’s dura without Haki.
Cracker scales to G4th, which means Kata scales.
Who scales off of those, and what feats does Kata without Haki have?
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Nobody said he straight up committed one, I said "You are so close to" not saying he did.
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Anyways
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Kat's regular durability he's able to take hits from armament haki base Luffy, that's it.
Base Sanji, Capone Bege and Ichiji scale to Oven's durability.
Post WCI Gear Third Luffy scales to Katakuri at his strongest (Power Mochi) and as such scales to the Cracker stuff.
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His current profile says this
So that has to be removed?
Also, he blocked this without Haki.
We've already discussed offsite that Snakeman was superior to G2nd but inferior to G3rd. Could we use this as a > G2nd dura feat?
Sanji for the neck crack blitz, Bege for the bullet, and Ichiji's sparking valkyrie correct?
Gotcha
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Yeah I don't even remember him ever taking gear second or gear third hit at all, let alone without haki. It should be removed.
Forgot he did that, yeah that's fine for his base to be >gear 2nd.
Correct.
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Oh yeah and he matched the jet Gatling gun too. Yeah he has a valid scaling above that.
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No I think it more so shows no haki Katakuri > Carrot
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She took a stomp from him and got back up with minimal issues.
How about this to scale her to base Luffy?
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To me it just seems like he intends for them not to leave so I'm skeptical on if she should really scale for that, I'll wait to hear more input.
Looks good to me.
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This seems good, but I am a bit iffy, it's really common in shounen to have these comedy momments when characters far weaker than the MC be able to hurt the protagonist, unless someone bring more stuff to Carrot that indeed can show a good reason to scale her to luffy
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Cool. I just wanted to find a place for base Carrot. If we get the > Base Luffy one, then i don't care about her scaling to no Haki Kata.
Pedro scales > Carrot.
For those who scale to Mountain level+
Overdosed Hody
Base Luffy
Bellamy
Carrot
Pedro
Oven
Perospero
Baron Tamago
And any others I might be remembering.
They notify in the scan that he almost beat Luffy, and Pedro says "well, she is strong".
I understand what you mean by the comedy moments, but if they explain the comedic moment w/ her strength, then it's valid.
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Fair enough
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I'm removing Carrot's Sulong key and giving her an added rating. These aren't 2 different forms, it's a transformation.
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