Shūkurō Tsukishima Vs Roronoa Zoro (Bleach Vs One Piece)

[Arcker123]

Sociopathic Book Reader Vs Wannabe Strongest Swordsman​

• Crazy how we can do this
• First Key Tsukishima
• Last Key Zoro
• Speed =
• SBA Otherwise
• AP for Tsukishima: 700 Teratons
• Ap for Zoro: 1 Petaton
• @Deceived’s Idea

Aizen: Deceived, AnonymousBlank, Arc7Kuroi, Arcker123, Purgy, T2KBaka, Naeblis495, YukaSama4​

Mihawk:

Garou:

 

[Deceived3596]

Sociopathic Book Reader

Literally the worst font color ever and you choose it.

Hold this L

 

[Arcker123]

Literally the worst font color ever and you choose it.

Hold this L

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Tsukishima changes Zoro’s memories such that Zoro remembers getting Luffy killed, and Zoro takes his life to atone.

 

[Deceived3596]

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[KingTempest]

This ability works as what, mind manip?

 

[Arcker123]

Scenario is:

Tsukishima attempts to help Ginjo steal powers from the strawhats, he's caught by Zoro and they fight \

 

[Deceived3596]

This ability works as what, mind manip?

Memory Manipulation and Mind Manipulation via Past Manipulation (Which is considered to be Causality Manipulation on this Wiki since Past Manipulation isn't an actual stand-alone ability here)

 

[Arcker123]

Memory Manipulation and Mind Manipulation via Past Manipulation (Which is considered to be Causality Manipulation on this Wiki since Past Manipulation isn't an actual stand-alone ability here)

"Past Manipulation" should link to causality manip on his profile

This ability works as what, mind manip?

Essentially just a weird form of causality manip that enables mind stuff to put it crudely

 

[Deceived3596]

"Past Manipulation" should link to causality manip on his profile

It should but it doesn't currently.

Idk if i need a CRT to link that page to the profile so i'll leave it bare for rn until that question gets answered.

 

[Arcker123]

Notes

• With a single hit, Tsuki can close any skill, AP, or strength gap
• Tsuki can essentially trap up the battle field
• The precog gives Zoro a massive edge in cqc
• Zoro has ranged attacks to deal with flight

 

[Deceived3596]

Honestly i'm currently leaning towards Tsukishima.

Will give a more in-depth explanation why later but the main crux's of why i believe Tsukishima wins this is.

1 - Bringer Light being a very large speed boost in this fight, which would definitely **** with Zoro, even with his precog.

2 - BOTE basically nulling any-sort of Skill or AP advantage Zoro would have via Tsukishima cutting him once, regardless of the depth of the cut.

3 - Tsukishima could and most likely would also Mind Crush Zoro into oblivion, which isn't something that Zoro necessarily resists.

TLDR - Tsukishima negates the large skill advantage that Zoro has on him with BOTE and then eithers cuts his soul into ribbons or mind crushes him into complete mental ruin.

 

[KingTempest]

Honestly i'm currently leaning towards Tsukishima.

Will give a more in-depth explanation why later but the main crux's of why i believe Tsukishima wins this is.

1 - Bringer Light being a very large speed boost in this fight, which would definitely **** with Zoro, even with his precog.

2 - BOTE basically nulling any-sort of Skill or AP advantage Zoro would have via Tsukishima cutting him once, regardless of the depth of the cut.

You drastically downplaying Zoro's regular skill based analytical prediction and haki if you think
A. A single speed amp will take him
B. Zoro will let him hit him

3 - Tsukishima could and most likely would also Mind Crush Zoro into oblivion, which isn't something that Zoro necessarily resists.

Who told you this. Zoro resists it

 

[Reio35]

Tsuki can also cutt anything so not seeing zoro win here

 

[KingTempest]

Tsuki can also cutt anything

NLF much

Anyways Zoro has mind resistance so idk

 

[AnonymousBlank]

The memories Tsukishima creates are able to affect peeps like Orihime and Chad who already resist memory manip. Doubt mind hax resist is gonna work.

 

[Arcker123]

If we wanna get technical, all of Tsukishima’s mental affects are done via his causality/past manipulation, so I’m further skeptical of Zoro’s ability to resist it

 

[XDragnoir]

Yeah Zoro isn't resisting Tsuki's mind things cause they're a side effect of time manipulation, not direct memory manipulation or anything like that.

Also, does Zoro even resist memory manipulation?

 

[Eminiteable]

Also, does Zoro even resist memory manipulation?

Mind based, yeah.

 

[Arcker123]

Tsukishima changes Zoro’s memories such that Zoro remembers getting Luffy killed, and Zoro takes his life to atone.

Tsukishima makes Zoro his best friend and he gives up. GG.

 

[Popted2]

if Zoro has prior knowledge would that change something?

 

[Arcker123]

if Zoro has prior knowledge would that change something?

Yes of course. Don’t see the need tho

 

[XDragnoir]

Mind based, yeah.

What did he resist? I don't remember many memory manipulation powers in OP

 

[Eminiteable]

What did he resist? I don't remember many memory manipulation powers in OP

Mind resistance from Moria's powers covers it as it erases memories.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

How does resisting your memories being erased counter being given new ones through past manip that works on people who already resist having their memories erased and altered?

 

[Eminiteable]

How does resisting your memories being erased counter being given new ones through past manip that works on people who already resist having their memories erased and altered?

never claimed it did.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Ah true true. Misread your post

 

[XDragnoir]

Mind resistance from Moria's powers covers it as it erases memories.

From his profile, it only erases the memories of the shadow and doesn't affect the main body at all, not sure that counts

 

[KingTempest]

From his profile, it only erases the memories of the shadow and doesn't affect the main body at all, not sure that counts

the memories of the shadow are literally the memory of the person

 

[XDragnoir]

the memories of the shadow are literally the memory of the person

But people who have lost their shadows still keep their memories, Brook for example still remembered who he was, so it doesn't erase both, it only erases the memories in the shadow.

 

[XDragnoir]

Can we continue this off site, btw?

 

[Reio35]

The memories Tsukishima creates are able to affect peeps like Orihime and Chad who already resist memory manip. Doubt mind hax resist is gonna work.

Its not Even mind manipulation it's past manip

 

[Deceived3596]

You drastically downplaying Zoro's regular skill based analytical prediction and haki if you think
A. A single speed amp will take him
B. Zoro will let him hit him

A speed amp which allows Tsukishima to become FTE to people who are comparable/equal to him in speed normally, while also negating any-form of Extrasensory Perception that Zoro might have.

Bringer Light isn't just some regular speed amp.

Doesn't matter if Zoro would let Tsukishima hit him or not, he'll eventually get hit, even if Tsukishima was drastically more unskilled then Zoro (which he isn't) he'll eventually hit Zoro and when he does he'll instantly negate anyform of skill advantage Zoro might have on him.

That's the nature of fighting and its inherent possibilities.

Who told you this. Zoro resists it

Zoro doesn't resist Mind Manipulation/Memory Manipulation which is attained through Causality Manipulation.

Just because you resist a form of something doesn't mean you'll resist every form of that one thing.

He isn't resisting that type of mind crush.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Also gonna point out that Tsukishima learned everything Byakuya could do from cutting a petal of Senbonzakura. Zoro even blocking his sword will let Tsukishima learn his techniques.

 

[Jibz]

Tsukishima beat Aizen so im not sure if Zoro can win this guys

 

[Deceived3596]

AppleLord would be proud with such a scale.

 

[XDragnoir]

Also gonna point out that Tsukishima learned everything Byakuya could do from cutting a petal of Senbonzakura. Zoro even blocking his sword will let Tsukishima learn his techniques.

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Wtf? Tsukishima is some kind of anti-skill debates character? We need more of those.

 

[Arcker123]

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Wtf? Tsukishima is some kind of anti-skill debates character? We need more of those.

Yes. His reactive evolution allows him to become as skilled as his opponent through contact with them or their weapons, so unless your skilled enough to never be touched by him which in most cases is wank, Tsukishima can just null skill as a factor by becoming as equally skilled as his opponent.

 

[Deceived3596]

Tsukishima is some kind of anti-skill debates character?

Yes

 

[Arcker123]