Shūkurō Tsukishima Vs Roronoa Zoro (Bleach Vs One Piece)

[KingTempest]

Also gonna point out that Tsukishima learned everything Byakuya could do from cutting a petal of Senbonzakura. Zoro even blocking his sword will let Tsukishima learn his techniques.

Because Senbonzakura is sentient, unlike other swords. Senbonzakura is living. People have conversations with their Zanpakuto. Zoro's swords are just sharp metal sticks.

A speed amp which allows Tsukishima to become FTE to people who are comparable/equal to him in speed normally, while also negating any-form of Extrasensory Perception that Zoro might have.

Bringer Light isn't just some regular speed amp.

Doesn't matter if Zoro would let Tsukishima hit him or not, he'll eventually get hit, even if Tsukishima was drastically more unskilled then Zoro (which he isn't) he'll eventually hit Zoro and when he does he'll instantly negate anyform of skill advantage Zoro might have on him.

That's the nature of fighting and its inherent possibilities.

Even the worst Kenbun senses FTE people. This is nothing.
And "which he isn't". What feats does he have that are a deep breath towards Zoro's?

"He'll eventually get hit" Zoro fought a dude with comparable AP and twice his weapon amount and didn't get hit by a single one of his swords during the entire fight while injured.

Limited Resistance to Extrasensory Perception when using Bringer Light (Using Bringer Light makes the user harder to sense)

Zoro could sense Minks which Luffy couldn't sense. Zoro's sensing this man.

Zoro doesn't resist Mind Manipulation/Memory Manipulation which is attained through Causality Manipulation.

Just because you resist a form of something doesn't mean you'll resist every form of that one thing.

He isn't resisting that type of mind crush.

He won't resist the addition of memories then w/e
But he's definitely going to resist a massive headache based on piling memories. That's nothing.



And the man isn't getting hit so this isn't an issue.

 

[Arcker123]

Because Senbonzakura is sentient, unlike other swords. Senbonzakura is living. People have conversations with their Zanpakuto. Zoro's swords are just sharp metal sticks.

Gonna correct this, Tsukishima can insert himself into the past of inanimate objects, take him inserting himself into the arena in his fight with Byakuya for ex.

He’d be able to insert himself into Zoro’s swords just fine just like how he did to Byakuya’s.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Because Senbonzakura is sentient, unlike other swords. Senbonzakura is living. People have conversations with their Zanpakuto. Zoro's swords are just sharp metal sticks.

Uh no. It’s because Tsukishima cut it. Yukio spawned a pocket dimension with a power he never had before and yet Tsukishima cutting it let him enter its past and make new one. The moment Tsukishima cuts something, he can see it’s past and just make a new one at will.

 

[Reio35]

Tuskishima has extinguished flames instantly,planted viruses and spead up the growth of trees using book pf yhe end

 

[Jibz]

Limited Resistance to Extrasensory Perception when using Bringer Light (Using Bringer Light makes the user harder to sense)

An effect of the skill, or is this just cuz he got faster?

 

[Deceived3596]

Even the worst Kenbun senses FTE people. This is nothing.
And "which he isn't". What feats does he have that are a deep breath towards Zoro's?

"He'll eventually get hit" Zoro fought a dude with comparable AP and twice his weapon amount and didn't get hit by a single one of his swords during the entire fight while injured.

Evidence regarding the FTE statement?

Being able to combatively fight relative against swordsmen like Byakuya who have 100's of years of specifically honing their Zanjutsu skills, who've fought equal against people like Ichigo who has layered sensing with his Reiraku with mostly skill alone.

@KillerNerd007 can explain Byakuya's skill better than i ever could but for one thing that's certain is that Byakuya absolutely has more experience then pretty much anyone within One Piece given his age and his position within the Soul Society.

People with far less experience have hit Zoro.

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Comparable AP doesn't really matter within the context of skill and the amount of swords also don't matter if the person who's wielding them isn't that skilled in the first place.

Depending on the person Tsukishima probably already, naturally scales above that dude given his "relativeness" towards Byakuya, even before inserting himself into his past.

Zoro could sense Minks which Luffy couldn't sense. Zoro's sensing this man.

This works on beings who have layered sensing so unless Zoro has even more layers into his sensing Bringer Light is effecting him.

He won't resist the addition of memories then w/e
But he's definitely going to resist a massive headache based on piling memories. That's nothing.



And the man isn't getting hit so this isn't an issue.

That's such a downplayed, misrepresentation of what Tsukishima's Mind Manipulation does.

It doesn't causes a "massive headache based on piling memories" it fills the opponent with so many false memories that it completely mentally breaks the opponent, to the point the opponent is basically in a comotosted state for the rest of their life.

Since this, again born through Causality Manipulation rather then some bog standard Mind Manipulation Zoro isn't resisting this.

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Zoro will be hit at some point in this fight, that's the nature of fighting.

Zoro within his own Manga has been hit by people, samething would apply with Tsukishima.

 

[Deceived3596]

An effect of the skill, or is this just cuz he got faster?

Just a inherent effect of Bringer Light.

It's similar towards Sonido which completely bypasses the sensing of one's opponent, even opponents with layered sensing like High level Shinigami.

 

[Purgy]

Tsukishima kinda stomps tbh

Nice to see that his profile was updated with novel stuff

 

[Deceived3596]

Well i'm voting for Tsukishima given my previous comments above.

@Arcker123 Add me to the list for Tsukishima.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Same for me. Best Bleach villain FRA

 

[Arcker123]

Best Bleach villain FRA

Not top 10 sadly

 

[Deceived3596]

Bump

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Tsukishima changes Zoro’s memories such that Zoro remembers getting Luffy killed, and Zoro takes his life to atone.

Agree FRA ^

Maybe more in character, Tsukishima would make the memory Zoro's fault but that Tsukishima saved the day

I also second Deceived's analysis, Zoro might have an edge until he gets nicked by Book of the End, but after that it's over.

 

[T2KBaka]

Decived makes really good points about Tsukishima, Zoro is my boi, but Tsukishima is my cousin.

Spoiler

 

[Naeblis495]

Tsukishima pretty much win the instant he nick zoro. Zoro have nothing on past manip/causality manip.

 

[YukaSama4]

Tsukishima

 

[Arcker123]

Tsukishima

Decived makes really good points about Tsukishima, Zoro is my boi, but Tsukishima is my cousin.

Spoiler

Y’all some trolls

Bleach fans down bad

 

[YukaSama4]

Y’all some trolls

Bleach fans down bad

still Tsukishima

 

[YukaSama4]

I've read the thread and I don't think Zoro can keep fighting without Tsukishima touching him, and if Tsukishima did, it turns into a stomp, as Zoro's side hasn't brought an evidence to show that Zoro can resist Tsuki's hax.

 

[Deceived3596]

We should be in grace by now.

We got an additional 3 votes from Baka, Naeblis and Yuka while i'm guessing Arcker is also voting for Tsukishima as well.

Thus making the total votes for Tsukishima 7.

 

[Arcker123]

Sure, I’ll vote for Tsuki

 

[Jibz]

First Tsuki gets rerunned on bbs and now he’s winning this thread. Everything is coming on Tsuki

 

[YukaSama4]

Tsuki solos your fav verse

 

[Jo-Smooth]

The fact that Tsukishima can break a zanpakuto, weapons that are much more durable than the user to the point where they could block attacks that could potentially one shot them, shows a pretty substantial AP gap. If you think Tsukishima was always that strong, then it doesn't matter for the fight, but if you think Tsukishima wasn't that strong before he used his abilities, then that makes things even worse for Zoro. There's also the implied fact that Tsukishima said Byakuya's Bankai Senkei and Shukei Hakuteiken, which are basically just AP amps via compressing petal blades wouldn't work...while we don't know the full context of what he meant, Byakuya seemed to think even attempting it was useless. And Tsukishima was dodging Byakuya's 2x speed defensive form. So things like Zoro's speed and AP Amping techniques like ShiShi SonSon Variations, 3 Thousand Worlds variations, Ashura variations etc might actually be of no use. In character, Tsukishima after his loss to Byakuya isn't as careless and cocky anymore either, so he wouldn't make the same mistake as letting his guard down to an unorthodox method of attack. I think Zoro's Observation Haki is the only thing keeping him in the fight really, as well as the fact that Bleach characters often don't attack while using High Speed Movement even though they can as shown by Byakuya, which is weird but hey

 

[Arcker123]

Grace should be over. Adding