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Shin's failures at life aka downgrade him bruh

How is being caught of guard irrelevant to the discussion? It provides proof that characters can wound people they normally can't when they are caught off guard.
None of them were in forms where they have chakra cloaks that constantly protect them while they are in it. therefore they're irrelevant to this.
Get raws.
Bro is arguing against the translation he brought up now too lol.
As shown in the scans used for caught off guard, Naruto is not caught off guard in the situation you're talking about. So your point here is irrelevant and moot.
You haven't been able to prove that he's any more on guard against Sasuke's Chidori than he was against Shin's MS.
So you just admitted he was caught off guard by Sasuke's own sword. Great thanks for playing.
I mean if you ignore 90% of what I said
saying a weaker Sasuke is the same as a stronger Sasuke.
this is how I can tell you're not reading/ignoring the counter-arguments
I think it's the other way around. Noone here has provided any good reason for why a weaker Sasuke should scale to his stronger self or provided evidence Naruto wasn't caught off guard.
Keyword: I think

We've both provided our reasonings based on how we interpret the Narrative and it seems like Staff disagrees with your interpretation.
 
You didn't change shit lol. Thats unironically the same.
  • Added that Sasuke and Sakura were injured too with scans and links to their profile.
  • Added brief descriptions for how Shin's MS used metal and a sword to injure Naruto and Sasuke(so that people viewing the profile know the method his MS took to generate 5-B AP.)
 
  • Added that Sasuke and Sakura were injured too with scans and links to their profile.
  • Added brief descriptions for how Shin's MS used metal and a sword to injure Naruto and Sasuke(so that people viewing the profile know the method his MS took to generate 5-B AP.)
You can add the "At Most" part
I think a staff recommended it
 
The quote in question doesnt actually have anything to do with power, its's referring to Naruto's battle sense his ability to react and counter, the only reason why im entertaining the idea that its AP related is because i dont want to debate semantics
So are we supposed to ignore characters getting caught off guard now and themselves stating that they are rusty?
not being at you peak doesn't ≠ being billions of times weaker, given that weaker versions of these characters are still 5-B. your creating a false dichotomy between being a 100% and what they scale to.
This is why Shin should be unknown at worse, he should be around Sakura's level since they fought.
Not intending to kill does not mean holding back 10000000000 times your own strength. Sasuke intended to incapaciate Shin and used a potent Jutsu to do it. there are dozens of less strenuous ways of incapacitating Shin if the gap is as large as you claim
So we just ignore that Sasuke is low on chakra and how chakra affects your stats and all?
This argument ignores the broader context of the fight. Sasuke and Naruto actively see Shin as a threat and move into incapacitate him to get answers, their plans are foiled and they are pushed. to argue that its the equivalent of a baby and adult human is disingenuous to whats happening.
No, that's the opposing side atm in regards to the fight. So far you guys are ignoring Sasuke is low on chakra, which can affect your stats. Ignoring that Naurto was caught off guard and that he himself states that. Ignoring Naruto effortlessly blocks his previous attacks, and all of a sudden he can't defend this one? Riddle me this what changed? Did Shin all of a sudden gain more AP all of a sudden?
regardless though the fireball jutsu doesnt answer Sasuke getting Injured by Shin
I like how we ignore the whole chakra amping stats and everything in favor of using Momo's arc Sasuke to scale this weakened Sasuke.
 
We have 4 in agreement?
KLOL and M3X are Calc Group Members. CGMs and Content Mods don't have staff-level says in CRTs. That goes to Thread Mods, Admins, and Bureaucrats

Odd rule, I know, but it is what it is. On the flip side, the same goes for my vote in disagreement, hence why I didn't count it. I'm starting to realize that this is a common misconception
 
KLOL and M3X are Calc Group Members. CGMs and Content Mods don't have staff-level says in CRTs. That goes to Thread Mods, Admins, and Bureaucrats

Odd rule, I know, but it is what it is. On the flip side, the same goes for my vote in disagreement, hence why I didn't count it. I'm starting to realize that this is a common misconception
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Let me go grab some more opinions atm cause I didn't know that for when I was requesting input.
 
He's >= The Last Sasuke >= Teen Sasuke
I think he means durability since he's hung up on The Last Sasuke being unknown(I fix soon) And because he's weakened in the Shin fight.
How is this Sasuke 5-B?
Various statements of being relative/an equal to Naruto(who has been 5-B since Shippuden and far stronger now) from the Manga, databooks, light novels, etc. Along with feats that back this up 6 months later in the Momo Arc with no implied strength increases from Naruto or Sasuke since then.

His being weakened isn't a good enough argument either.

Sasuke shows no signs of fatigue or exhaustion that would suggest a drop-off in power big enough to warrant an unknown rating. Hell, Naruto couldn't even tell he was weakened until Sasuke brought it up.

Not to mention the reason he was low on chakra, to begin with, was that he had to teleport to Kaguya's palace and at the very beginning of the Momo Arc we see that he teleported to Kaguya's palace and still stalemates Kinshiki(also 5-B)

Your best shot at changing some minds is being able to prove that Shin Arc Sasuke is far inferior to Momo Arc Sasuke(statements or anti-feats might help.)

Shin himself wouldn't be an Anti-feat since his fight with Naruto and Sasuke sets the precedence for his scaling.

Saying "That Sasuke is from a future arc so he shouldn't scale to a past Sasuke" is just a bad argument since we do accept back scaling if it's consistent and you have no supporting evidence to back up your opinion.

It also blatantly contradicts the Narrative of the Momo Arc with Sasuke's equal, Naruto, being negligent in all aspects of his life due to his Hokage duties. Yet they are shown to be just as relative as they were stated to be in those examples I provided. (some of which were before the Shin Arc.)

If you don't have anything that further backs up that opinion of yours we're basically done here.

Not that that's for me to decide you can try and look for more staff and see if anyone shares your opinion.
 
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