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Seals Lifted Kenshiro vs Parallel Timeline Saitama (KENSHIRO WON!)
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JohnCenaNation
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God of Death: 3 (azontr, Greatsage13th, Epiccheev)
Caped Baldy: 1 (Entity)
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What?
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Could you explain why you think so?
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Nothingness.
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Saitama uses time travel and will always hit the enemy
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Kenshiro fra
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God of Death: 4 (Harith0cell, azontr, Greatsage13th, Epiccheev)
Caped Baldy: 2 (Recon1511, Entity)
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At least explain why
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Yeah, Saitama can time travel but the power of FRA is too strong for him
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Saitama doesn't start out with time reversal first of all, secondly he'd need to know the exact location of Kenshiro in the past and at what point in time to attack him.
Saitama's time travel isn't him going back years into the past where the opponent is a baby. He reverses time to a few minutes at most, not years. Attacking Kenshiro in the past (by a few minutes.) isn't gonna do jack shit whenever Muso Tensei activates instantly upon danger.
Yall seriously be clowning with this Saitama time travel shit. He goes back into time only for a few minutes, not years, not months, not even days.
Saitama's time travel isn't him going back years into the past where the opponent is a baby. He reverses time to a few minutes at most, not years. Attacking Kenshiro in the past (by a few minutes.) isn't gonna do jack shit whenever Muso Tensei activates instantly upon danger.
Yall seriously be clowning with this Saitama time travel shit. He goes back into time only for a few minutes, not years, not months, not even days.
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More along the lines that your arguments aren't solid nor appealing.
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Prove that he can't time travel further into the past, he picked the arrival of Awakened Garou because that's where Garou told him to go.
This Saitama is bloodlusted and has previous knowledge of Kenshiro as stated in the OP so he would definitely start with his best technique to win in this scenario.
Hell screw traveling back in time to when Kenshiro was a baby he can go like what, 30 seconds before he activates Muso Tensei and just smack Kenshiro with the zero punch and blow him to bits with the absurd AP difference.
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.... Did you just ask me to prove a negative?
that's not my job, it's up to YOU to prove the positive, and no that's not enough. If anyone here needs to prove jack shit the responsibility falls onto you for supplying sufficient evidence Saitama is capable of going further into the past than what he's shown.
Being bloodlusted doesn't mean he'd opt to use Time Travel, nor does him having knowledge on Kenshiro magically allow him to know where Kenshiro would be in the past.
also Kenshiro also has knowledge on Saitama, thus he'd be able to find a counter, and much easier given his intelligence advantage.
Muso Tensei would activate before that, changes to the past is irrelevant if you can see it happening in the future.
Saitama can't do anything here.
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So you can't prove he can't travel further into the past, neat..... Did you just ask me to prove a negative?
If anyone here needs to prove jack shit the responsibility falls onto you for supplying sufficient evidence Saitama is capable of going further into the past than what he's shown.
He literally chose the moment he wanted to go back to because that's where Garou told him to go, not because of a limitation of the technique. And re-reading I noticed that he goes further into the past and not exactly that moment since he zero punches Garou when he says "Thank you" to God but he says "I am that ominous future disaster level God" to Blast and Bang after killing the heroes with his radiation.
If he is bloodlusted and knows how Kenshiro abilities work then why wouldn't he start with it? He isn't an idiot and can put 2 and 2 together and figure out only his time travel technique will do anything. Also Saitama wasn't there when Garou confronted the heroes as he was blasted away by the GRB yet he still could see and punch him when he time travelled.
Wait, wouldn't that result in a time loop? In any case can Muso Tensei feel a being that is coming from another timeline (and likely a paralel universe considering Genos theory and Saitama merging with his past self)
If this is true then it's just a stomp and the thread should be closed I guess
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typical OPM goonery, I don't need to prove that he can't, you need to prove that he can in fact go further than what he's shown. Literally nothing here proves Saitama can go back further than what is shown. Neat.
Being bloodlusted doesn't mean you jump right into hax, a serious punch would be equally as devastating but that's a fair point about knowing about Ken's abilities.
Because Garou told him.
Why would it end in a time loop? Saitama can't spam that punch, as he'll end up fusing with his past self which would be a great hindrance here since it would take away his only form of hax here.
Precognition already takes care of that, the moment Saitama's fist even connects Muso Tensei activates.
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Saitama can litterally punch him before he even thinks to use a technique with his unavouidable punch
No, this is parallel timeline Saitama, so if he travels back in time he would still be parallel timeline Saitama
If Saitama has no wincons the what are Kenshiro's wincons?
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Hokuto pressure points expressly don't need skin to be pierced, literally the first instance we canonically see of Ken using PP is by applying a "mosquito-like" pressure to the skin, Ki is what triggers the explosion and it can freely flow through the body without needing an entry wound since it's intangible
Hokuto Shinken can't be mastered by "normal people", and Saitama would be below average human in terms of skill by HNK standards (10 yo untrained kids in HNK can master complex martial arts moves just by seeing them being performed from afar, they can also master ki-reading and ki usage in general just by observing said techniques), this statement in particular was given to a dude who scales above a character who's mastered every martial art in the world in the span of 30 years and can precog people using muscle, eye and air movements. If this dude can't master Hokuto despite years of training, Saitama certainly can't.
Ken has already fought and defeated people who scale to his own mastery skill (Raoh, for one), which lets him completely master, completely understand and completely nullify an entire martial art after seeing it once, it wouldn't be a problem for him.
Add to this the fact that Ken has like, 5 types of precog he can use and yeah, you do the math
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literally any of his 708 (arguably 1109) pressure points, all of the techniques from all the 108 schools of Nanto, touching him with Gento, power-nulling him with Soryu Tenha... there's probably more stuff that's in the manga but not on the profile that I won't mention, for instance, he can just eject Saitama's soul if he wants
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If you're saying that pressure points can affect Saitama because they ignore his durability, then i would like to ask you if it works even when Saitama's durability is applied to his internal organs and the rest of entire body. If you're saying that the technique affect ki then Saitama resisted to Tatsumaki's powers while she tried to manipulate his ki
For this i would like to say that Saitama not only can master martial arts just by seeing it, but even supernatural powers by seeing them like the power to manipulate the laws of the cosmos, for exemple time travel
I didn't really understand what happened here
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why would he do that tho
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He is bloodlusted and on a jupiter-sized planet with a blue sun there can't be human life, and even if there was Saitama already almost destroyed Earth
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Ken's pressure point don't necessarily destroy organs as much as they change their functionality, like paralysing them, enhancing their functionality to a detriment or removing them, their durability doesn't really matter, and as I said, Ken could use any one of his other numerous duraneg martial arts to do the job
Ki is a supernatural power and an average kid with no training can master it by seing it being used, that's not special
the dudes' immortality is based on their soul keeping the body alive, so he just removes their soul from the body to kill it
being bloodlusted doesn't mean that you just throw the character out of the window, he'd never do it, and even if he did he'd eventually die due to it because he can't breathe in space, it'd become a contest of who can hold their breath for longer and Ken can hold his for 53 minutes straight, IF he even needs to breathe in Musou Tensei
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Oh, I just forgot to mention that Ken has several pressure points to nerf his opponent's stats to average human level, so he could also just win via AP stomp if he wants to lmao
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saitama has self sustenance
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Saitama can just regain all of his strenght and durability via AD
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Then kids can manipulate the cosmos and time travel?
Saitama has resistance to durability negation and those techniques worked on normal organs or at least organs with a greater resistance, but nothing like Saitama
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Yeah, it is since Saitama is bloodlusted and his AD will grow exponentially
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Since they have knowledge of their powers as Kenshiro will try to use this technique, Saitama will just time travel
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that's not how exponential growth works
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He almost did it with Garou
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Then how does that work?
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