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God of Death: 3 (azontr, Greatsage13th, Epiccheev)Kenshiro FRA too
What?He can copy weaknesses and make them even worse
Could you explain why you think so?Kenshiro fra
Nothingness.Could you explain why you think so?
Saitama uses time travel and will always hit the enemyNothingness.
God of Death: 4 (Harith0cell, azontr, Greatsage13th, Epiccheev)Kenshiro fra
At least explain whyKenshiro fra
Yeah, Saitama can time travel but the power of FRA is too strong for himNice FRA train when Saitama can just time travel at the start of the fight and win unopposed but k
More along the lines that your arguments aren't solid nor appealing.Yeah, Saitama can time travel but the power of FRA is too strong for him
Prove that he can't time travel further into the past, he picked the arrival of Awakened Garou because that's where Garou told him to go.Saitama doesn't start out with time reversal first of all, secondly he'd need to know the exact location of Kenshiro in the past and at what point in time to attack him.
Saitama's time travel isn't him going back years into the past where the opponent is a baby. He reverses time to a few minutes at most, not years. Attacking Kenshiro in the past (by a few minutes.) isn't gonna do jack shit whenever Muso Tensei activates instantly upon danger.
Yall seriously be clowning with this Saitama time travel shit. He goes back into time only for a few minutes, not years, not months, not even days.
.... Did you just ask me to prove a negative? that's not my job, it's up to YOU to prove the positive, and no that's not enough.Prove that he can't time travel further in the past, he picked the arrival of Awakened Garou becuase that's where Garou told him to go.
Being bloodlusted doesn't mean he'd opt to use Time Travel, nor does him having knowledge on Kenshiro magically allow him to know where Kenshiro would be in the past.This Saitama is bloodlusted and has previous knowledge of Kenshiro as stated in the OP.
Muso Tensei would activate before that, changes to the past is irrelevant if you can see it happening in the future.Hell screw traveling back in time to when Kenshiro was a baby he can go like what, 30 seconds into the past and just smack Kenshiro with the zero punch and blow him to bits with the absurd AP difference.
So you can't prove he can't travel further into the past, neat..... Did you just ask me to prove a negative? that's not my job, it's up to YOU to prove the positive, and no that's not enough.
If anyone here needs to prove jack shit the responsibility falls onto you for supplying sufficient evidence Saitama is capable of going further into the past than what he's shown.
If he is bloodlusted and knows how Kenshiro abilities work then why wouldn't he start with it? He isn't an idiot and can put 2 and 2 together and figure out only his time travel technique will do anything. Also Saitama wasn't there when Garou confronted the heroes as he was blasted away by the GRB yet he still could see and punch him when he time travelled.Being bloodlusted doesn't mean he'd opt to use Time Travel, nor does him having knowledge on Kenshiro magically allow him to know where Kenshiro would be in the past.
Wait, wouldn't that result in a time loop? In any case can Muso Tensei feel a being that is coming from another timeline (and likely a paralel universe considering Genos theory and Saitama merging with his past self)Muso Tensei would activate before that, changes to the past is irrelevant if you can see it happening in the future.
If this is true then it's just a stomp and the thread should be closed I guessSaitama can't do anything here.
typical OPM goonery, I don't need to prove that he can't, you need to prove that he can in fact go further than what he's shown.So you can't prove he can't travel further into the past, neat.
Literally nothing here proves Saitama can go back further than what is shown. Neat.He literally chose the moment he wanted to go back to because that's where Garou told him to go, not because of a limitation of the technique.
Being bloodlusted doesn't mean you jump right into hax, a serious punch would be equally as devastating but that's a fair point about knowing about Ken's abilities.If he is bloodlusted and knows how Kenshiro abilities work then why wouldn't he start with it?
Because Garou told him.Also Saitama wasn't there when Garou confronted the heroes as he was blasted away by the GRB yet he still could see and punch him when he time travelled.
Why would it end in a time loop? Saitama can't spam that punch, as he'll end up fusing with his past self which would be a great hindrance here since it would take away his only form of hax here.Wait, wouldn't that result in a time loop? In any case can Muso Tensei feel a being that is coming from another timeline (and likely a paralel universe considering Genos theory and Saitama merging with his past self)
Saitama can litterally punch him before he even thinks to use a technique with his unavouidable punchMuso Tensei would activate before that, changes to the past is irrelevant if you can see it happening in the future.
No, this is parallel timeline Saitama, so if he travels back in time he would still be parallel timeline SaitamaSaitama can't spam that punch, as he'll end up fusing with his past self which would be a great hindrance here since it would take away his only form of hax here.
If Saitama has no wincons the what are Kenshiro's wincons?Saitama kinda has no wincons then
Hokuto pressure points expressly don't need skin to be pierced, literally the first instance we canonically see of Ken using PP is by applying a "mosquito-like" pressure to the skin, Ki is what triggers the explosion and it can freely flow through the body without needing an entry wound since it's intangibleSo, while Saitama has an absolutely crushing AP/Dura advantage Kenshiro has an absurd hax advantage. Most of his hax seems to come from pressure points, wich leads to a certain problem.
Saitama has resisted Garou's Fa Jin wich directly targets organs, RASRF wich travels through hard material(bones) and reverbs through the body as a shockwave and supposedly WSRSF's pressure points, wich while nothing compared to Hokuto Shinken's they still came from an opponent that was equal to Saitama for some time. Not to mention the difference between 4-A and 5-C is so big it's questionable if Pressure points would even work here.
Hokuto Shinken can't be mastered by "normal people", and Saitama would be below average human in terms of skill by HNK standards (10 yo untrained kids in HNK can master complex martial arts moves just by seeing them being performed from afar, they can also master ki-reading and ki usage in general just by observing said techniques), this statement in particular was given to a dude who scales above a character who's mastered every martial art in the world in the span of 30 years and can precog people using muscle, eye and air movements. If this dude can't master Hokuto despite years of training, Saitama certainly can't.Saitama should be able to copy all of his techniques
literally any of his 708 (arguably 1109) pressure points, all of the techniques from all the 108 schools of Nanto, touching him with Gento, power-nulling him with Soryu Tenha... there's probably more stuff that's in the manga but not on the profile that I won't mention, for instance, he can just eject Saitama's soul if he wantsIf Saitama has no wincons the what are Kenshiro's wincons?
If you're saying that pressure points can affect Saitama because they ignore his durability, then i would like to ask you if it works even when Saitama's durability is applied to his internal organs and the rest of entire body. If you're saying that the technique affect ki then Saitama resisted to Tatsumaki's powers while she tried to manipulate his kipressure points expressly don't need skin to be pierced, literally the first instance we canonically see of Ken using PP is by applying a "mosquito-like" pressure to the skin, Ki is what triggers the explosion and it can freely flow through the body without needing an entry wound since it's intangible
For this i would like to say that Saitama not only can master martial arts just by seeing it, but even supernatural powers by seeing them like the power to manipulate the laws of the cosmos, for exemple time travelSaitama would be below average human in terms of skill by HNK standards (10 yo untrained kids in HNK can master complex martial arts moves just by seeing them being performed from afar, they can also master ki-reading and ki usage in general just by observing said techniques), this statement in particular was given to a dude who scales above a character who's mastered every martial art in the world in the span of 30 years and can precog people using muscle, eye and air movements. If this dude can't master Hokuto despite years of training, Saitama certainly can't.
I didn't really understand what happened here
uhAnyway why Saitama can't just destry the planet or sneeze all the air out of the planet?
He is bloodlusted and on a jupiter-sized planet with a blue sun there can't be human life, and even if there was Saitama already almost destroyed Earthuh
why would he do that tho
Ken's pressure point don't necessarily destroy organs as much as they change their functionality, like paralysing them, enhancing their functionality to a detriment or removing them, their durability doesn't really matter, and as I said, Ken could use any one of his other numerous duraneg martial arts to do the jobIf you're saying that pressure points can affect Saitama because they ignore his durability, then i would like to ask you if it works even when Saitama's durability is applied to his internal organs and the rest of entire body. If you're saying that the technique affect ki then Saitama resisted to Tatsumaki's powers while she tried to manipulate his ki
Ki is a supernatural power and an average kid with no training can master it by seing it being used, that's not specialFor this i would like to say that Saitama not only can master martial arts just by seeing it, but even supernatural powers by seeing them like the power to manipulate the laws of the cosmos, for exemple time travel
the dudes' immortality is based on their soul keeping the body alive, so he just removes their soul from the body to kill itI didn't really understand what happened here
being bloodlusted doesn't mean that you just throw the character out of the window, he'd never do it, and even if he did he'd eventually die due to it because he can't breathe in space, it'd become a contest of who can hold their breath for longer and Ken can hold his for 53 minutes straight, IF he even needs to breathe in Musou TenseiAnyway why Saitama can't just destry the planet or sneeze all the air out of the planet?
Saitama can just regain all of his strenght and durability via ADOh, I just forgot to mention that Ken has several pressure points to nerf his opponent's stats to average human level, so he could also just win via AP stomp if he wants to lmao
Then kids can manipulate the cosmos and time travel?Ki is a supernatural power and an average kid with no training can master it by seing it being used, that's not special
Saitama has resistance to durability negation and those techniques worked on normal organs or at least organs with a greater resistance, but nothing like SaitamaKen's pressure point don't necessarily destroy organs as much as they change their functionality, like paralysing them, enhancing their functionality to a detriment or removing them, their durability doesn't really matter, and as I said, Ken could use any one of his other numerous duraneg martial arts to do the job
Yeah, it is since Saitama is bloodlusted and his AD will grow exponentiallyit definitely ain't fast enough to go from average human to moon level in the time it takes Ken to throw a punch
Since they have knowledge of their powers as Kenshiro will try to use this technique, Saitama will just time travelthe dudes' immortality is based on their soul keeping the body alive, so he just removes their soul from the body to kill it
He almost did it with Garouhe'd never do it
Then how does that work?that's not how exponential growth works