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And they able to revert themselves back for as long as necessary. Saitama himself is able to manipulate his subatomic particles so hormone alteration means little
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Saitama vs Kenshiro
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they mind-wipe, mind-manipulate, mind-control, they can degrade your muscles to below-average-human levels, make you blind, remove your bones, paralyse you completely, cause immense pain, cause death directly, turn you to dust and remove your soul (unclear whether it's a pressure point technique or not, but alas).
This is just the pressure point stuff, he also has stuff like Soryu Tenha, which is powernull that equalizes stats, Gento vaporizes the opponent's cells, Seito Gekken generates a flame that's impossible to extinguish and negates regeneration and probably some other stuff.
The fact that they can turn themselves back from a very specific condition (which stretches the meaning of "resistance to biological manipulation" to begin with, since they are REALLY just resisting transformation and even if we granted it the status of biological manipulation, it would really just fall under "body control" and "shape change", not "cell manipulation") doesn't mean that they can freely control each hormone in their body.
I have no idea what you're talking about, if it's about the radiation thing, are we gonna say that Toki is "able to manipulate his sub-atomic particles" because he resisted a dose of radiation that was 50 billion times higher than the dosage that would instantly kill a normal human and gamma radiations effect matter on a subatomic level (electrons)?
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how often does ken use precog
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bump
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what if saitama lands a punch on ken but ken uses a technique to prevent him from getting one tapped
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Then Kenshiro would say: "I dodge your attack and kill you"
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This is LITERALLY like Garo vs Saitama.
Kenshiro has Phenomenal combat and martial Arts experience, but he can't in ANYWAY harm Saitama. Garou has Maaany Durability Negation techniques and Pressure Points, like Fa Jin/Massive Fa Jin. And it does nothing to Saitama, even before he was massively buffed in his Parallel Timeline.
This is an absolute stomp for Saitama
Kenshiro has Phenomenal combat and martial Arts experience, but he can't in ANYWAY harm Saitama. Garou has Maaany Durability Negation techniques and Pressure Points, like Fa Jin/Massive Fa Jin. And it does nothing to Saitama, even before he was massively buffed in his Parallel Timeline.
This is an absolute stomp for Saitama
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Why would it not be??
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But saitama has no way to harm ken either because of MT
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Look at their speed sections
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there is no FTL calc for Kenshiro
so i made speed =
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No Calc yes, but it's "baseline FTL" (which is just a fancy way of saying speed of light here) times all his multiplers that get him to FTL+
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im pretty sure Satama's FTL+ is way way faster
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MT?
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I would argue Kenshiro is far more skilled than Garou. And musou tensei makes him a pain in the ass to pin down.
Not arguing for this matchup, but there are differences here that make this less of a clean cut comparison
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yes the nonexistent physiology ability
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I don’t even think Garou’s pressure points even work the same as Kenshiro’s (EDIT: they literally don’t, neither does the durability negation LMAO). Even with that, Kenshiro has much more going for him beyond just Pressure Points. He could just erase Saitama on the cellular level if he wanted to. Just putting that out there. (That, and if Kenshiro activates Muso Tensei, then uh, yeah.)
I literally don’t see what changes from the last time this match happened.
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saitama goes back in time and wins
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Oh I had NO clue about the Muso Tensei... haven't read/watched Fist of the North Star in a Hot Minute... Hmmm
Thing is, Saitama should be able to learn and copy that technique. Since he copied Cosmic Garou and his Time Travel.
Thing is, Saitama should be able to learn and copy that technique. Since he copied Cosmic Garou and his Time Travel.
You know damn well even that won't work on Saitama. Garou's Massive Fa Jin disregards muscles and bones and completely destroys the organs. Plus Saitama completely took a faaar weaker non-Parallel Timeline Garou's Gamma Ray Burst... which completely disintegrates matter down to the Sub-Atomic level.
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saitama copying MT 
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Hey, I'm just wonderin... don't mind me
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Saitama has not been shown to copy anything remotely close to mt
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Time Travel and Muso Tensei (Nonexistent Physiology in this case) are two very different things. Saitama has yet to prove that.
Literally addressed by Twellas before. Ken has SO MANY ways to ignore durability beyond that. (Also how tf does Saitama not have resistances to some of these things when they keep being argued like tf, I swear he had resistance to dura neg for a time too.)
Gento Ko has Limited Existence Erasure listed on the FOTNS Martial Arts page, probably due to it leaving nothing of your physical body. Mean while Saitama’s resistance is to Radiation and Matter Manipulation. Those two ain’t the same (Although I think Gento Ko there, sounds more like Matter Manipulation, anything other than Existence Erasure at all, so I would say Saitama can resist, I just am unsure if there was more context.)
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How's Saitama even getting past MT? Last I checked a person tried to punch someone using that and didn't have MT themselves their arm legit was erased last I checked. Dismemberment is a good weight loss plan though tbf lol
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honestly, I think Saitama can't do anything about MT, but reading Kenshiro's entire offensive arsenal, he has nothing that Saitama can't adapt to and resist with his RE. Saitama is declared to be the "fist that will turn against God" because of his "limiter removal" (AD/RE and power mimicry) that can grant resistance to all of God's crap which includes, abilities related to the soul, time, space, matter (macro-quantum), gravity, vital energy, biology, mind, light, reality distortion, and much more that may appear in the future and all of them being at least 4D in nature, add that to type 2 immortality, and this match becomes an incon or a battle of endurance
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Scans for the “can grant resistances to all of God’s crap”? and all that, because if Saitama has yet to prove it, it doesn’t mean anything imo (and plus, resistances to these aren’t even on the profile so meh)
Also the match, if this is true, the match wouldn’t even be an incon at that point, it’s just a mismatch because they wouldn’t be able to do anything to each other (assuming Saitama can even get around Kenshiro’s bs fast enough, or at all.)
Also Ken might actually use Sōryū Tenra given how this match is going. We can argue about if Saitama can get by this and that, but Sōryū Tenra can power null and equalize stats. And given Kenshiro’s huge skill advantage, yeah…
For the third time, what changes from this thread?
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