Seals Lifted Kenshiro vs Parallel Timeline Saitama (KENSHIRO WON!)

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Wait, if both have prior knowledge, wouldn’t Muso Tensei kick in as soon as the fight starts? If Ken knows he’s gonna die in one shot and get blitzed at the same time, that’s a very very very clear sign of danger for him so Muso Tensei is gonna kick in on its own.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Note: Speed is equalized for a very obvious reason so that Saitama doesn't statue Kenshiro in a fight.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Well uh, Ken stomps badly unless Saitama goes back in time immediately. (Which I’m not sure it would help him)

 

[Unknownnah]

Considering Saitama's speed is racked up to 18 billion x FTL (in this wiki) (with Kenshiro at 30x ftl max) wouldn't Saitama have a massive advantage in this fight? Isn't there a possibility of Kenshiro getting blitzed without Muso Tensei activating assuming both are starting at base? Thirdly, considering Saitama broke through mental dimensions (which can't be seen by, humans), shouldn't it be more likely that he can interact with Muso Tensei considering the nature of OPM so far? It seems to me Saitama takes this bout more often than not.
And if this is a matchup with both opponents having prior knowledge Saitama's absurd speed advantage should allow him to Zero Punch ( which Ken shouldn't precog due to it being a reversal of causality), before Ken can use his own hax on Saitama, regardeless whether or not Ken has more ways of winning.

Saitama's only 8000c. He'd still statue Ken though. (until the big ahh speed upgrade gets applied)

 

[arli]

With speed equalized it would seem unless Saitama can interact with Muso Tensei ( The fact he has already proven his punch can even interact with the intangible is reason enough for me to believe he can do the same here.), odds are against him. Until he displays more hax resistances it can be argued he could lose the fight via soul manipulation from Kenshiro.

Saitama's only 8000c. He'd still statue Ken though. (until the big ahh speed upgrade gets applied)

Have to disagree the user who made the calc had this to say. "The low-end is the hugest lowball that can be used. There is no 'safer' option. It's what makes the most sense, and in this case, I would say the high end makes the most sense, as we clearly see the shockwaves statued. The low-end is completely unreasonable, and I just added it there to fill in space.", so Saitama should be 18 Billion x FTL, not that it matters anyway.

(What is the "big ahh speed upgrade") if you don't mind me asking, just curious?)

Think that should be that regarding this battle then.

 

[Silvervigilant]

Ken FRA

 

[Silvervigilant]

With speed equalized it would seem unless Saitama can interact with Muso Tensei ( The fact he has already proven his punch can even interact with the intangible is reason enough for me to believe he can do the same here.), odds are against him. Until he displays more hax resistances it can be argued he could lose the fight via soul manipulation from Kenshiro.

Even if Saitama's fist is able to interact with intangible beings doesn't mean that he would be able to hit MT, In fact hokuto fighters can counter Intangiblity via touki, or just by straight up punching it like Kasumi did with the ghost wolf, but Raoh (a Hokuto fighter) couldn't hit Ken while in MT.

(What is the "big ahh speed upgrade") if you don't mind me asking, just curious?)

Think that should be that regarding this battle then.

I think he's may be talking about this.

 

[Unknownnah]

I think he's may be talking about this.

The 100 quintillion punch is getting accepted? I thought he was getting to 1200c through multipliers.

 

[Silvervigilant]

I wanted to do it, but there's so much shit to do that I just gave up, the scaling needs a complete overhaul and there's several series worth of spin off to add

Well there's a big revision thread going on, a help from such knowledgeable FOTNS guy like you Twellas, would be greatly appreciated

 

[Silvervigilant]

The 100 quintillion punch is getting accepted? I thought he was getting to 1200c through multipliers.

Well it's being discussed right now, and the multipliers too.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Ken FRA

God of Death: 7 (Silvervigilant, Recon1511, Entity, Harith0cell, azontr, Greatsage13th, Epiccheev)
Caped Baldy: 0

 

[JohnCenaNation]

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[Deleted member 11410]

Kenshiro FRA.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Kenshiro FRA.

God of Death: 8 (Deleted Username, Silvervigilant, Recon1511, Entity, Harith0cell, azontr, Greatsage13th, Epiccheev)
Caped Baldy: 0

 

[arli]

Ill go ahead and still give Caped Baldy FRA via more than likely being able to punch Muso Tensei (imo) or Time travel zero punch.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Saitama still needs to prove he can hit something that's basically non-existent, you can't hit Muso Tensei unless you have any Void Based NPI which Saitama (at this point in time) doesn't have.

 

[Recon1511]

So is OP gonna explain how is this not a stomp or

 

[arli]

So is OP gonna explain how is this not a stomp or

Well with speed unequalized Saitama blitzes 9/10 times, with speed equalized + prior knowledge as OP asked while kenshiro has more ways to win saitama could still zero punch if he can't/comes to the conclusion he can't interact with Muso Tensei so I don't see how this is a stomp with both having wincons.

 

[Epiccheev]

zero punch by itself means nothing if Kenshiro can just precog and instantly use muso tensei. Saitama's only mismatch worthy wincon involves assuming he can go back years in the past before Kenshiro mastered Muso tensei wich turns a 0% chance of winning into a 0.1% and i'm not even sure if that's allowed going by what Ginsama said.

 

[Unknownnah]

Muso tensei activates automatically when Ken is in danger iirc so

 

[arli]

Disagree, the way the zero punch works is it lands before it's thrown and causes a disturbance to a timeline via manipulating cause and effect (reversal of causality), therefore Kenshiro's precog shouldn't predict a disruption to a timeline if that makes sense. And If Saitama has prior knowledge i see no reason he can't pull this off, its something that can't be predicted and not something FOTNS precognition has been able to detect on that level.

Saying his precog will warn him on this level of reality warping is complete wank imo.

 

[Recon1511]

So yeah it's a stomp and can't be added then

 

[Greatsage13th]

Can't Saitama just travel back in time before musou tensei is activated at the start of the match?

 

[Recon1511]

Precog will make Muso Tensei activate and Kenshiro has previous knowledge of Saitama's abilities so he can just start the fight with it as well.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Precog will make Muso Tensei activate and Kenshiro has previous knowledge of Saitama's abilities so he can just start the fight with it as well.

I said before the fight

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

I said before the fight

As soon as there's any sort of danger that would get Ken killed in a single punch, Muso Tensei will kick in anyway.

 

[Greatsage13th]

As soon as there's any sort of danger that would get Ken killed in a single punch, Muso Tensei will kick in anyway.

Isn't that at the start of the fight?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Isn't that at the start of the fight?

It doesn't matter, Muso Tensei would act without Ken even thinking if he's in danger it's literally the GER of Fist of The North Star when you think about it.

 

[Greatsage13th]

It doesn't matter, Muso Tensei would act without Ken even thinking if he's in danger it's literally the GER of Fist of The North Star when you think about it.

Well, oof

 

[Epiccheev]

Seems like a stomp, tbh

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Ill go ahead and still give Caped Baldy FRA via more than likely being able to punch Muso Tensei (imo) or Time travel zero punch.

God of Death: 8 (DarlingAurora, Silvervigilant, Recon1511, Entity, Harith0cell, azontr, Greatsage13th, Epiccheev)
Caped Baldy: 1 (arli)

 

[JohnCenaNation]

GRACE PERIOD OVER KENSHIRO WINS!!!
Result: Saitama did everything that he could in his power in order to turn the tide of the battle into his favor but neither less no matter how hard he tried to win this fight, he was unable to beat the manly man himself Kenshiro as Kenshiro ended the fight with a quote "omae wa mou shindeiru" while Saitama looks on with a very horrified looks on his face as he was blown to a many smithereens.

 

[azontr]

It's a stomp you dorkmuffin

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Yeah Kenshiro (at this point in time) stomps

 

[Recon1511]

Anyway, since it's a stomp it won't be added but I guess it was fun

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

I don’t know why the match was added to Kenshiro’s profile even tho he (currently) stomps hard.

 

[Silvervigilant]

Anyway, since it's a stomp it won't be added but I guess it was fun

This is the problem with Kenshiro honestly, it's hard to find a good opponent for him, most of the time he either stomps or get stomped himself.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

This is the problem with Kenshiro honestly, it's hard to find a good opponent for him, most of the time he either stomps or get stomped himself.

The only match that was even remotely fair for Ken in recent times was with Cloud Strife, and even that match might be rendered invalid after revisions, we’ll have to wait and see though.

 

[azontr]

Why tf was this added lmao, @JohnCenaNation dude listen it's a stomp, use your eyes and read ffs

 

[Recon1511]

Just ask a mod to remove it he clearly doesn't wanna read lol