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Sanji vs Yamato Rematch

Kachon123

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Remaking this match because on top of how it's almost been exactly 2 year since it was made (which would likely be outdated currently since opinions morph over time, some scaling and values have changed. Also the last became a FRA train for some reason at the end



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Yamato vs Onigashima Raid Sanji

Location: Drum Island
Both characters have intent to kill, in-character otherwise.
Starting Distance: 20 meters


Sanji: 9 (@Eminiteable, @RoronoaxRobin, @Eseseso, @Kachon123, @That_moron2, @XDragnoir, @Robo432343, @ReaperAndBlues, @Nierre)
Yamato: 2 (@DaMonkeMan, @Superscharbe)
 
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Without getting into A.P
Yamato's Advantages:
Better ranged attacks (Sanji doesn't have any)
Conqueror's Haki (Sanji doesn't have any)
Armament Haki (Sanji's is practically featless)
Sanji's Advantages:
Faster (Yamato in base backscales to Hybrid Kaidou because they reacted to him from several meters away. Sanji would upscale based on relativity with Zoro who is~Hybrid Kaidou and then being faster with Ifrit Jambe)
Regeneration
Battle IQ
Observation Haki (Sanji is a specialist while Yamato doesn't have any feats with it)
 
That_moron2 said:
Without getting into A.P
Yamato's Advantages:
Better ranged attacks (Sanji doesn't have any)
Conqueror's Haki (Sanji doesn't have any)
Armament Haki (Sanji's is practically featless)
Sanji's Advantages:
Faster (Yamato in base backscales to Hybrid Kaidou because they reacted to him from several meters away. Sanji would upscale based on relativity with Zoro who is~Hybrid Kaidou and then being faster with Ifrit Jambe)
Regeneration
Battle IQ
Observation Haki (Sanji is a specialist while Yamato doesn't have any feats with it)
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Don't forget his exoskeleton giving him blunt force resistance.
 
Not sure who wins. Yamato has raw power IIRC but Sanji had a notable speed advantage (though Hybrid Yamato scales in reaction speed to Thunder Bagua so she can at least react to him), resists blunt force which narrows the durability gap, and can likely no-sell her ice with his bonkers heat.

Yamato only has AP/durability, range, and her bonkers endurance.
 
Sanji doesn’t hit girls, I know Yamato refers to themselves as a male but biologically they are a girl (and no I don’t mean that for like any out of verse reasons, this is actually important for the match; as someone in the lgbt community who has dated trans people before I want to extra clarify I really don’t want that to come off as transphobic since I know whether Yamato is trans or not is a massive topic. I just mean even if they are in terms of identification I don’t see Sanji attacking them) so I don’t see why sanji would ever even begin to attack them. That weakness still applies in versus threads, sanji will absolutely let himself die before ever raising a finger against a girl.

To further elaborate, I’m not even sure Sanji would fight a trans person in general is a big point.
 
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Does that apply to something as character based as that though. That’s specifically his actual character reaction to this scenario. To have him fight Yamato would be taking him as far out of character as possible.
 
Yes

"State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other."

"Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law."
 
The second part was supposed to be changed like a dozen times, staff have repeatedly told me that, and I’m annoyed it keeps coming up because they just keep stalling.
 
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That_moron2 said:
Better ranged attacks (Sanji doesn't have any)
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I disagree with this. Sanji has spectre which Is a ranged barrage attack while Yamato only has 2 ranged attacks which are a breath attack and a distanced Kanabo swing. Sanji takes this category.
That_moron2 said:
Armament Haki (Sanji's is practically featless)
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Wrong. Yamato's Buso scales to 5 layers. Sanji's Buso is strong enough to withstand the heat of his Ifrit Jambe, which Jinbe's Buso, which scales to 4 layers currently, couldn't do to lesser heat, meaning that Sanji would scale to 5 layers just like Yamato. This is not an advantage for her.
 
Though for the first point, it says they will try to win the match, but that doesn’t mean they will try to win in a way out of character. Sanji even laying an aggressive hand on a girl is out of character, even if he wants to defeat them and they are trying to kill him.
 
Nierre said:
What about it is gonna change?
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How they see the opponent. Current it’s worded as like an end of the world ultra murder scenario when they have repeatedly told me it’s supposed to be the bare minimum to start a fight. They have been equally annoyed by it as I have.
 
Keeweed said:
Though for the first point, it says they will try to win the match, but that doesn’t mean they will try to win in a way out of character. Sanji even laying an aggressive hand on a girl is out of character, even if he wants to defeat them and they are trying to kill him.
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Well. He was willing to counter an attack from Big Mom (with the help of Luffy), so he's definitely willing to use his strength if push comes to shove, but I do agree he'll fight differently against Yamato then say King.

Not sure how much this effects the fight though.
 
With that clarified it does mean in character he would probably try to just defend himself until they tire or he finds an indirect way to stop the conflict. Though that works very awkwardly with how a versus thread is supposed to go. So maybe the op can just say he’s out of character in that regard. I just really wanted to bring that up last thread since Sanji punching Yamato always comes off as very strange to me.
We do have some versus threads that are set as straight up card games so I think that could still be added.
 
Keeweed said:
Though for the first point, it says they will try to win the match, but that doesn’t mean they will try to win in a way out of character. Sanji even laying an aggressive hand on a girl is out of character, even if he wants to defeat them and they are trying to kill him.
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Dude, I literally said in the match rules that both characters are willing to kill each other, but in every way other than willingness to fight and kill they are in-character.
 
Kachon123 said:
Dude, I literally said in the match rules that both characters are willing to kill each other, but in every way other than willingness to fight and kill they are in-character.
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That second part is different than what the first part says, I would reword it to be like that for better clarification (though sorry I misread that wrong the first time too due to being tired, celebrated Fourth of July today and it was good).

Edit: to clarify being willing to kill does not innately make Sanji will to hit girls, I thought that was relying on something else.
 
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Sanji wins IMO

Since this is Oniashima Sanji, Yamato takes AP and Durability. But Sanji is faster, has better kenbun, although their buso has equal layers, takes endurance, has better battle IQ. Sanji's flames would melt Yamato's ice and her heat resistance isn't that great from what I remember. Plus, Sanji has regen. So yeah, Sanji.
 
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Imo Sanji can wear Yamato down with IJ's high AP and flame damage, since even though she can react to him she can't hit him without Bagua, so Sanji extreme diff.
 
Voting for Sanji. He has relative AP at worst and better AP at his peak, better durability, regen, better mobility, is faster, has relative Buso, far greater Kenbun (Yamato has worse Kenbun than Baby Momonosuke and a sleeping Sanji)

Yamato can probably delay getting burned by Ifrit Jambe's heat fully by using Conqueor's coating and her ice armor, but Sanji's speed would just eventually overwhelm her + her ice could get melted by Kazenbo.
 
Kachon123 said:
Sanji has spectre which Is a ranged barrage attack while Yamato only has 2 ranged attacks which are a breath attack and a distanced Kanabo swing. Sanji takes this category.
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Spectre is only a barrage of kicks. It’s not a ranged attack.
Kachon123 said:
Wrong. Yamato's Buso scales to 5 layers. Sanji's Buso is strong enough to withstand the heat of his Ifrit Jambe, which Jinbe's Buso, which scales to 4 layers currently, couldn't do to lesser heat, meaning that Sanji would scale to 5 layers just like Yamato. This is not an advantage for her.
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When was this accepted? Jinbe has only ever been burned by Ace…
 
That_moron2 said:
What is that air bullets? Or him magically extending his legs?
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Probably the former.
That_moron2 said:
It’s not better than Namuji Hyoga
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It's far better than Namuji Hyoga. Namuji Hyoga is a single ice breath attack while Spectre is a barrage of ranged attacks that contain the heat of his flame. Diable Jambe Spectre or Ifrit Jambe Spectre would overwhelm Yamato more than Namuji Hyoga could overwhelm Sanji.
 
Kachon123 said:
Probably the former.

It's far better than Namuji Hyoga. Namuji Hyoga is a single ice breath attack while Spectre is a barrage of ranged attacks that contain the heat of his flame. Diable Jambe Spectre or Ifrit Jambe Spectre would overwhelm Yamato more than Namuji Hyoga could overwhelm Sanji.
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Fair enough
 
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