Saitama vs Lord Harkon: Trying to disprove a point

[The_Smashor]

In the weakest characters for every tier, someone said Lord Boros and Garou should be some of the weakest of their tier since they lost to Saitama, who probably one of the weaker characters in the tier due to a lack of hax. Lord Boros defeated this guy, so if he beats Saitama his entire point will be moot. Because I seriously doubt this Elder Scrolls character is one of the weakest members of High 6-A.

Rules: Speed Equalized. Otherwise SBA.



AP is hella underrated:

I honestly don't have anything funny to put:

Inconclusive:

 

[Schnee_One]

Saitama one shots and calls it a day

 

[The_Wright_Way]

What does Harkon start with and how does it work?

 

[Schnee_One]

He starts with physical attacks

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Ah, so he dies instantly then. Good to know.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

On the grand scale harkon is rather pathetic for his tier, not due to any real fault of his own though its, mostly because lore wise we have no information about him beyond him tearing a guy in half and phasing through ice. He can bfr but he's only shown to throw someone out of his castle and he never uses it in a combat scenario. Outside that he has his life drain, his paraylisis inducement (Which doesn't last very long iirc) some more magic that comes down to ice/life drain and his claws.


I still hold some doubts about his current rating because he's such a massive unknown within the greater lore of the elder scrolls and really lacks in the way of concrete feats.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

most people agreed in the Boros vs Harkon thread that Boros would one shot with the SSRC. Only reason it wasnt a stomp is that Boros only uses that as a last resort and it doesnt scale to any of his other stats.

Saitama hits Harkon with the serious punch and he gets blown to bits.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

On the grand scale harkon is rather pathetic for his tier, not due to any real fault of his own though its, mostly because lore wise we have no information about him beyond him tearing a guy in half and phasing through ice. He can bfr but he's only shown to throw someone out of his castle and he never uses it in a combat scenario. Outside that he has his life drain, his paraylisis inducement (Which doesn't last very long iirc) some more magic that comes down to ice/life drain and his claws.

I still hold some doubts about his current rating because he's such a massive unknown within the greater lore of the elder scrolls and really lacks in the way of concrete feats.

The whole "time limit" is gameplay mechanics btw.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Harkon could use mind manipulation.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

But he doesn't in character. Meaning, he gets splattered.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

See Id usually agree about it being game mechanics but he has no lore for how potent his paralysis is thus we can only go off how long its been shown to last. Best we could do is compare it to other users of such magic to get the potency but i dont know enough about the lore of paralyzing magic to say how long it last outside game mechanics.

He could mind manip, but it's out of character and we don't have much in the way of potency feats for it. (Afaik)

 

[Planck69]

Saitama blasts him to bits. Seriously though, he may not be a powerhouse for his tier (comparatively speaking) but he sure as hell isn't the weakest.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Harkons probably not the weakest but he's rather lacking in feats beyond getting his teeth kicked in by the dragonborn, he barely exist in the lore at all which makes him a weird case to look at.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Saitama FRA

 

[The_Wright_Way]

He's not the weakest but he's rather lacking in feats beyond getting his teeth kicked in by the dragonborn, he barely exist in the lore at all which makes him a weird case to look at.

Planck was talking about Saitama.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

I need to fix my sleep schedule

Sorry about that! Saitama fra if this isn't a stomp.

 

[KGiffoni]

Saitama starts with a casual punch, which Harkon survives if it's casual enough (just like with Boros and Garou, and really 99% of the opponents he has faced). He then sees Saitama is strong and goes for any of his abilities that ignore durability before Saitama actually gets serious, which he takes some time to be.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Uh, Harkon is physically even weaker than Boros and Garou are. He's getting one-shot even if the hit is casual.

 

[Planck69]

Saitama starts with a casual punch, which Harkon survives if it's casual enough (just like with Boros and Garou, and really 99% of the opponents he has faced). He then sees Saitama is strong and goes for any of his abilities that ignore durability before Saitama actually gets serious, which he takes some time to be.

If you're implying that the hit is on the level of what he uses on regular monsters then Harkon wouldn't really see Saitama is strong from that. Saitama however does and soon after Serious Punches him to oblivion.

 

[KGiffoni]

Not really. Saitama's casual hits on Garou and Boros were enough to knock them for a bit, they're ~24 petatons iirc. Lord Harkon is about half of that so the difference isn't great enough to be one-shot worthy

However when Saitama actually gets serious yeah he's one-shotting, but i see Harkon winning before that since that takes a good amount of time

 

[KGiffoni]

Saitama starts with a casual punch, which Harkon survives if it's casual enough (just like with Boros and Garou, and really 99% of the opponents he has faced). He then sees Saitama is strong and goes for any of his abilities that ignore durability before Saitama actually gets serious, which he takes some time to be.

If you're implying that the hit is on the level of what he uses on regular monsters then Harkon wouldn't really see Saitama is strong from that. Saitama however does and soon after Serious Punches him to oblivion.

Well, not necessarily. I'm putting in comparison the casual punches he used against High 6-A beings before, that is, Boros and Garou. Garou could easily recover from the first casual punch, not sure about Boros since we're not sure how much of the impact was tanked by the armor and how much was tanked by Boros himself, but either way it also didn't affect him too much.

 

[Planck69]

Not really. Saitama's casual hits on Garou and Boros were enough to knock them for a bit, they're ~24 petatons iirc. Lord Harkon is about half of that so the difference isn't great enough to be one-shot worthy
However when Saitama actually gets serious yeah he's one-shotting, but i see Harkon winning before that since that takes a good amount of time

When Boros was hit in his High 6-A key he was seriously injured. Garou had one of his monster forms utterly destroyed. At best, Harkon gets mortally wounded. Nevermind the fact that a Consecutive Normal Punch barrage could liquify a far stronger High 6-A than Harkon.

 

[KGiffoni]

That wasn't a casual punch. That also wasn't a casual punch. And that definetly isn't a casual punch.


Saitama starts with a casual punch and only gets the big guns after an opponent like Harkon has had lots of chances to kill him with any of his dura negation haxxes.

 

[Planck69]

That wasn't a casual punch. That also wasn't a casual punch. And that definetly isn't a casual punch.

Saitama starts with a casual punch and only gets the big guns after an opponent like Harkon has had lots of chances to kill him with any of his dura negation haxxes.

A casual attack won't warn Harkon (who opts for physical attacks) that Saitama can one-shot him since those are High 6-C at most (which Harkon shrugs off effortlessly) so he won't immediately rush to use his hax. From Saitama's perspective, Harkon is an oponent he can get serious around which would make start dishing out stronger attacks like those used on Garou and Boros, something that definitely ***** him up.

 

[KongKing23]

The very reason why Lord Harkon got High 6-A because he can use magic to banish The Dovahkiin who theoretically shakes the planet with his/her voice. Harkon could use the very same magic to banish Saitama to Oblivion or just a soul gem offering to Molag Bal. There is no evidence that Saitama can resist Soul Manipulation or BFR. Harkon is strong because of his magical might.

Just an idea to throw out there.

 

[Planck69]

The very reason why Lord Harkon got High 6-A because he can use magic to banish The Dovahkiin who theoretically shakes the planet with his/her voice. Harkon could use the very same magic to banish Saitama to Oblivion or just a soul gem offering to Molag Bal. There is no evidence that Saitama can resist Soul Manipulation or BFR. Harkon is strong because of his magical might.
Just an idea to throw out there.

Isn't shaking an earth-like planet just Low 6-B? Well regardless of that, the reason he loses is that he opts to go for physical attacks first. Saitama is fairly likely to blast him to pieces before he can get around to using his more effective hax.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Life absorption isn't an insta-kill, it just absorbs health over time. Ignoring that being stronger should mean having more life energy, it is still not instant at all, and the moment Saitama feels even a little pain he punches him to oblivion.

Harmon doesn't do hax beyond his health absorption at all, preferring to summon gargoyles and sometimes putting up barriers.

Anyways, Saiata's casual hits vary far too much in power, but even 7-As can survive them sometimes. It'd not going to make Harkon panic.

 

[KongKing23]

The very reason why Lord Harkon got High 6-A because he can use magic to banish The Dovahkiin who theoretically shakes the planet with his/her voice. Harkon could use the very same magic to banish Saitama to Oblivion or just a soul gem offering to Molag Bal. There is no evidence that Saitama can resist Soul Manipulation or BFR. Harkon is strong because of his magical might.
Just an idea to throw out there.

Isn't shaking an earth-like planet just Low 6-B? Well regardless of that, the reason he loses is that he opts to go for physical attacks first. Saitama is fairly likely to blast him to pieces before he can get around to using his more effective hax.

Speed is equalized. So there is no speedblitz here.

Saitama's fist response << Harkon's Magic. Harkon can cast a spell to banish The LDB out of his castle within an instant, and of course Saitama never has resistance against magic. Especially dimensional banishment or Soul Manipulation.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He is not casting a banish out of nowhere. He did it once, for a person that helped him, to let them get out of his castle alive after they decided to not side with him.

 

[KongKing23]

He is not casting a banish out of nowhere. He did it once, for a person that helped him, to let them get out of his castle alive after they decided to not side with him.

Yeah. He still has a variant of such spell. He should always have some spells like that example I just gave you. Of course, I don't want to talk about gameplay in this case.

Theoretically, Harkon can banish Saitama to Oblivion with such spell or a Black Soul Gem.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

He can in theory but this is in character harkon, seeing as he has very little lore we have to base his in character behavior off his game-play.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Theoretically, sure. He didn't do it while being killed despite having a forcefield that let's him get a break whenever.

So I'd say Saitama one-shots first.

 

[Planck69]

.Speed is equalized. So there is no speedblitz here.
Saitama's fist response << Harkon's Magic. Harkon can cast a spell to banish The LDB out of his castle within an instant, and of course Saitama never has resistance against magic. Especially dimensional banishment or Soul Manipulation.

I never said anyone blitzes here. I said that Saitama is more likely to blast him to bits in this fight before he uses those hax since, you know, he doesn't open with them. Harkon gets hit by a casual attack from Saitama and doesn't get the memo that he can get one-shot due to the strike being 6-C at best. Saitama then realizes he has to get a bit serious and starts unleashing more of his power.

Garou had Type 2 immortality and Low-Mid regen. Boros had High-Mid. Both are more powerful than Harkon. Yet both of them were being pushed to the brink before Saitama even unleashes his Serious Punch. Harkon definitely isn't surving that here.

 

[KongKing23]

Theoretically, sure. He didn't do it while being killed despite having a forcefield that let's him get a break whenever.
So I'd say Saitama one-shots first.

At least, the possibility of killing Saitama is out there. He isn't that all-powerful of a gag character that most people memed him out to be.

Imprisonment in Oblivion is worse than death.

 

[Planck69]

At least, the possibility of killing Saitama is out there. He isn't that all-powerful of a gag character that most people memed him out to be.

Imprisonment in Oblivion is worse than death.

Dude, very few people on this wiki think that Saitama can't be beaten. One look at his wins and losses will tell you that.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Dude, very few people on this wiki think that Saitama can't be beaten. One look at his wins and losses will tell you that.

Well, a notable number of those matches are in his 9-B key. But mostly everyone understands the existence of Haxes.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Saitama isn't gonna **** around when he starts actually feeling pain from life drain which his melee strikes do so...

Saitama sends him to Oblivion FRA.

 

[Madotsuki24]

Saitama FRA. That's seven votes for Saitama now, so grace period has started!!!! >W<

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

what is the wincon for harkon?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

BFR