Saitama vs Lord Harkon: Trying to disprove a point

[Planck69]

Speed is Equalized, and as I said Life Drain taking time is just a game mechanic.

"Doesn't need much stamina for throwing out one punch" Im not arguing he gets too tired to fight properly, im saying he gets too tired to even stand.

Furthermore, another in character trait for Harkon is to summon Gargoyles and Teleport around by turning into bats and mist. If he needs to he can just abuse his range advantage and keep travelling around the battlefield, and if he deems Saitama too much of a threat after seeing him casually oneshotting his gargoyles he'll start Mindhaxing.

Again, not instantaneous. He tries to attack Harkon and his gargoyles and end them in a single shot and see's that Harkon is still standing, decides that he's somewhat strong and Finishes him with a Serious Punch before the drain starts to seriously affect him. Mind-hax he doesn't even use in-character anyway.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Speed is Equalized, and as I said Life Drain taking time is just a game mechanic.

"Doesn't need much stamina for throwing out one punch" Im not arguing he gets too tired to fight properly, im saying he gets too tired to even stand.

Furthermore, another in character trait for Harkon is to summon Gargoyles and Teleport around by turning into bats and mist. If he needs to he can just abuse his range advantage and keep travelling around the battlefield, and if he deems Saitama too much of a threat after seeing him casually oneshotting his gargoyles he'll start Mindhaxing.

Again, not instantaneous. He tries to attack Harkon and his gargoyles and end them in a single shot and see's that Harkon is still standing, decides that he's somewhat strong and Finishes him with a Serious Punch. Mind-hax he doesn't even use in-character anyway.

Harkon will use Mind Hax if his other options aren't doing jack, he isn't stupid.

And yes, Life Drain is instantaneous. You literally can do it by waving your hand out.

 

[Planck69]

Harkon will use Mind Hax if his other options aren't doing jack, he isn't stupid.

And yes, Life Drain is instantaneous. You literally can do it by waving your hand out.

Triggering it is instant, it fully killing a target isn't. By the time it registers that he has to use mind-hax, he's already paste. Saitama starts with a 6-C to High 6-C punch which doesn't affect Harkon ergo he won't be prompted to use mind-hax in the first place. Saitama however gets the memo that his opponent is strong and goes for the kill.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Harkon will use Mind Hax if his other options aren't doing jack, he isn't stupid.

And yes, Life Drain is instantaneous. You literally can do it by waving your hand out.

Triggering it is instant, it fully killing a target isn't. By the time it registers that he has to use mind-hax, he's already paste. Saitama starts with a 6-C to High 6-C punch which doesn't affect Harkon ergo he won't be prompted to use mind-hax in the first place. Saitama however gets the memo that his opponent is strong and goes for the kill.

"Triggering it is instant, it fully killing a target isn't" again that is quite clearly a game mecahnic meant for balancing. By using game logic people will start saying The Staff of Magnus' powernull takes time as shown in game, despite it clearly being a game mechanic as well. Furthermore The Dovahkiin's "Drain Vitality" Shout has a very similar function to Harkon's Drain spell, and ingame it is shown to drain alot less despite Shouts having huge background lore behind them and logically should be far stronger than Harkon's Drain. It's all game mechanics, that contradicts lore. Life Drain taking time is simply a product of balancing the game.

Furthermore "By the time he registers that he has to use mind hax he's already paste." He's gonna use it if he finds out he's running out of options. He's gonna be spamming teleport, attacks, and summons, and if he sees they aren't damaging Saitama at all he's gonna mind hax from a good distance away from him. He still has the range advantage and will likely come to the realization first due to him starting lethal quicker and being of a far higher intelligence than Saitama.

 

[Planck69]

If you have any showings or statements that prove it's instant then be my guest and present them. We aren't just going to assume so because his only showing is game-mechanics.

And you're really conflating intelligence with knowledge here. Saitama isn't threatening him enough to start teleporting around when the former opens with an attack that can be argued to possibly not even harm his summons. Nor is he flying to the other side of the planet considering the shockwave alone of Saitama's Serious Punch covers thousands of kilometeres. He won't notice himself running out of options when from his perspective, Saitama is barely a threat.

 

[ShivaShakti]

If you have any showings or statements that prove it's instant then be my guest and present them. We aren't just going to assume so because his only showing is game-mechanics.
And you're really conflating intelligence with knowledge here. Saitama isn't threatening him enough to start teleporting around when the former opens with an attack that can be argued to possibly not even harm his summons. Nor is he flying to the other side of the planet considering the shockwave alone of Saitama's Serious Punch covers thousands of kilometeres. He won't notice himself running out of options when from his perspective, Saitama is barely a threat.

First of all, The Staff of Magnus is never directly stated to be instant in the lore yet we don't assume that due to unreliable game mechanics. The same can be said for dragon shouts.

"Saitama isn't threatening him enough to start teleporting around" Harkon teleports in character regardless as seen in his boss fight. He's a mage so of course he's going to be casting shit from a distance. And him realizing he needs to put Saitama down stems from the fact none of his attacks are hurting him either way, and he would recognize that earlier assuming his attacks dont work, as he starts off lethal and will throw out most of his arsenal from the get go.

 

[Waria_Kambang]

Yeah, for me it's Harkon. Harkon NEVER go to melee and will always spam his gargoyle summons and vampiric drain. The moment he sees Saitama getting close, he can just use his mist form, or turn into bat to increase the distance again. He is a mage, no way he is going to let Saitama get close. And when he sees his summons getting wreck and his attacks barely dId anything to Saitama, he will start using his more haxed abilities.

 

[Madotsuki24]

Grace is over so you can't debate this any more. Saitama has won so this should be added if it hasn't already.

 

[Planck69]

Grace is over so you can't debate this any more. Saitama has won so this should be added if it hasn't already.

Has someone already posted this on the versus match addition thread? Nvm, I'll do it.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

There's nothing stopping people from debating, ineffectual as it may be, as long as the thread is still open, just to point that out.

Or unless they bring up something important that would upset the vote count. Grace doesn't make that not a thing.

 

[Planck69]

There's nothing stopping people from debating, ineffectual as it may be, as long as the thread is still open, just to point that out.
Or unless they bring up something important that would upset the vote count. Grace doesn't make that not a thing.

Madot was more pointing out that grace ended a while ago so this really wouldn't need to go on unless they do a re-match or something. Nothing new was brought up anyway.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Again, there's really nothing stopping people from continuing to argue even after Grace, that is my only point. What they chose to do until it closes is their business after all, as long as no rules are broken.

 

[Planck69]

Again, there's really nothing stopping people from continuing to argue even after Grace, that is my only point. What they chose to do until it closes is their business after all, as long as no rules are broken.

I definitely agree that they can discuss this, don't get me wrong.