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Regarding the 5-7 Rule: I really, really don't think anybody should be enforcing theoretical rules on major CRTs, least of all individuals with no evaluation rights. There is a reason we expect Thread Moderators and Administrators to handle threads, and that is because they have shown the capacity to handle it. @KLOL506, I don't know what happened in your GoW thread: it may be that there was a great deal of reason to propose a specific number for it, I couldn't say. However. You seem to have been totally aware that Fujiwara was correct on this front, and propagated the idea that because Lephyr applied that logic to an entirely different thread, it was therefore the truth for Fujiwara's. It is definitely plausible that this particular thread could be ruled to need a greater amount of staff input- but that should have been decided by someone in a position to do so, rather than someone wielding a past assessment like a mace. My opinion, I would've just called Lephyr there on the spot, and recognized that we typically only shoot for unique cases of higher staff counts being needed when there is a great deal of opposition in the staff ranks on either side. Now then:
Regarding Rudeness: @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara, if there is some discussion still ongoing, it is generally against the ethos of the site to shut down all conversation by handwaving and shouting about four staff approvals. I do think you were being attacked in this thread unnecessarily, and I think there were certain unfair elements working against you. Obviously you could have been kinder and more mature about the whole thing- you're aware of the reports leveled against you, I don't need to explain the wiki's stance on your behavior. I think it is reasonable to add a warning to that counter- I would personally agree with Planck removing Qawsedf's vote (which was hardly explicit enough to be a vote, imo), you also know better than to include non-evaluating staff in vote tallies (or, at least, to represent them as proper evaluations- counting their opinions is good). I don't feel we ought to ban you- there are questionable circumstances at work here and a formal warning reminding you against this behavior may be sufficient.
Conclusion: I think Fujiwara deserves a warning. Nothing more than that. I also agree with Lephyr's assessment that others deserve a warning too- there was a great deal of provocation I saw in that thread, and given that I was pressed to read it extremely quickly, I strongly doubt I caught everything. Most of all, I think KLOL unnecessarily provoked argument by misinterpreting Lephyr's words as gospel- which seems to be a major point of contention that was extremely counterproductive for this thread. If it pleases everyone, I would like to speak with Lephyr in private about creating a wider report on other poor behavior in that thread.
Regarding Rudeness: @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara, if there is some discussion still ongoing, it is generally against the ethos of the site to shut down all conversation by handwaving and shouting about four staff approvals. I do think you were being attacked in this thread unnecessarily, and I think there were certain unfair elements working against you. Obviously you could have been kinder and more mature about the whole thing- you're aware of the reports leveled against you, I don't need to explain the wiki's stance on your behavior. I think it is reasonable to add a warning to that counter- I would personally agree with Planck removing Qawsedf's vote (which was hardly explicit enough to be a vote, imo), you also know better than to include non-evaluating staff in vote tallies (or, at least, to represent them as proper evaluations- counting their opinions is good). I don't feel we ought to ban you- there are questionable circumstances at work here and a formal warning reminding you against this behavior may be sufficient.
Conclusion: I think Fujiwara deserves a warning. Nothing more than that. I also agree with Lephyr's assessment that others deserve a warning too- there was a great deal of provocation I saw in that thread, and given that I was pressed to read it extremely quickly, I strongly doubt I caught everything. Most of all, I think KLOL unnecessarily provoked argument by misinterpreting Lephyr's words as gospel- which seems to be a major point of contention that was extremely counterproductive for this thread. If it pleases everyone, I would like to speak with Lephyr in private about creating a wider report on other poor behavior in that thread.
