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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

ByAsura said:
Again, you're talking about a span of a month or less. It's not impossible, but it's far more unlikely than you suggest.

No. I suggest we ***** wait for anything remotely substantial, since this guy has a history of self-reporting and screwing up. Like holy hell man, I know we didn't just nuke people for this little evidence back then.

Bruh. I feel like you're just ignoring my actual points.

Anyway, I'm going to bed. Frankly, this is just silly.
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Your point was focusing on an insignificant turn of phrase ("one feels") and arguing that we had too little evidence to go on. The first part is silly, but if you'd like me to ignore it for the sake of moving to constructive discussion, I'd be happy to do so.

The fact is that we can't have 100% certainty every time. What we can do is look at things from a historical point of view. Historically, people that say things like "no, no, he's just my brother/friend/etc" after being confronted for acting suspiciously like that person, they tend to be that person putting on airs to get around a ban.

You, similarly, ignored my points, dismissing them on the grounds of the "one feels" statement. This is a user with multiple already created socks who has had time to learn at least something about how to avoid detection. Even if he's learned, nevertheless, don't you think it's at least a little suspicious that after multiple sockpuppeting accounts, suddenly he just has a group of like-minded people who are willing to fulfill the same, exact purpose of sockpuppeting for him, but now all above board? I do.

Now, I'd like to clarify: I was tentative on this situation, but you seem to have misunderstood what it is I was saying, so I hope this helps.
 
Arnoldstone18 said:
This is true ^
In a Discord server I'm part of, Vapour, CloudYagami and many others discuss topics related to the extremely popular Tier 9-8 niche, such as Tokyo Revengers, Lookism, Classroom of the elites, etc. Quite a few of them share similarities with Vapour in how they behave, which is common among friends. However, they still have distinct qualities that set them apart. Many of these individuals are open to creating new accounts, and they tend to share a similar thought process, especially when it comes to scaling. I personally think that HollowVanity is among the newcomers who will create new accounts in the future.

Take that as you will. In my opinion, as bad as this sounds, nothijg is particularly rule breaking about this and they have no power over the scaling we do here anyway so don’t worry about anything like vote manipulation. All we can do is keep an eye on them. However, staff have the final say.
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See, this is good evidence. This I believe. Thank you, Arnold.

Keep an eye on folks from that server, it's not impossible to fake all that too (as some of you know, wink wink), but it's a lot damn harder.

Even in the void of hard evidence of the server, I trust Arnold enough to use this as verification in this instance at least. I'd be fine with an unban.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Your point was focusing on an insignificant turn of phrase ("one feels") and arguing that we had too little evidence to go on. The first part is silly, but if you'd like me to ignore it for the sake of moving to constructive discussion, I'd be happy to do so.
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No, my point was that you have almost nothing to go by.

You keep citing this misinterpretation as if it had anything to do with my counter-arguments in this comment, but it's totally irrelevant and harking on about it is what's silly. So, yes, we should move on.
Mr._Bambu said:
What we can do is look at things from a historical point of view. Historically, people that say things like "no, no, he's just my brother/friend/etc" after being confronted for acting suspiciously like that person, they tend to be that person putting on airs to get around a ban.
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Historically, there are some cases like this, but not that many, and it's not evidence in and of itself or anything.
Mr._Bambu said:
Even if he's learned, nevertheless, don't you think it's at least a little suspicious that after multiple sockpuppeting accounts, suddenly he just has a group of like-minded people who are willing to fulfill the same, exact purpose of sockpuppeting for him, but now all above board? I do.
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Firstly, we knew the discord already existed, IIRC, just not that Hollow was part of it. This isn't sudden. It's kind of like how Donatien was a sock puppet that ran an anti-God of War discord with lots of like minded people, many of whom separately made accounts just to target GoW ratings.

Secondly, sorry, when did I say that this wasn't suspicious, or suggest that suspicion is unwarranted? Literally all I said was that we should actually wait for him to drop the ball or get hard evidence (not even proof) before we ban him.

Hell, I'll say it now, I do think this guy probably is Vapourrrr (even bearing in mind what Arnold said), but the problem is that A) I don't have any reason to act on that, and B) the behavioural/calculation similarities are laser-focused half-truths.

Keep an eye on him, sure, because, at the very least, we have real evidence that Vapourrrr is vicariously sharing opinions through the HollowVanity account.
Mr._Bambu said:
Now, I'd like to clarify: I was tentative on this situation, but you seem to have misunderstood what it is I was saying, so I hope this helps.
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You said the ban is justified (not maybe, or probably justified) based on their correlations, and I disagreed. I don't see what's to be misunderstood about that.
 
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ByAsura said:
No, my point was that you have almost nothing to go by.
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I don't think this is a fair assessment. This has all the makings of a sock. An explained-away association with the parties they would be a sock of, similar behavior and interests, a new user on the site with an account creation date that is after the ban. Really, the only thing we don't have is an IP check, which we didn't have for earlier socks that were explicitly admitted to.

This is a user, mind you, who we have on record specifically admitting that he attempted to fool us on the ShadowSythez account by changing his manner of speech and pretended to not have read Tokyo Revengers, to such an extent that Ant thought it was a different person. This is the same person who recruited a friend or sibling to get on a discord call with Agnaa to pretend to be his alt.

We aren't always going to get things like "posted to a banned users Imgur account" but even that was the subject of scrutiny, with us almost not banning him due to the claim that they're close IRL friends who share a computer but also use VPNs because Russia. People almost believed that. I don't think there's anything wrong with the stance that our standards for proving sockpuppets should be very very high before taking action, but it's not one I share because I believe in practice this essentially allows all but the most foolish of users to completely bypass any ban so long as they use a VPN.
 
2 similar interests, out of the 3 or so verses they even have interests in.

Fandom themselves said they were probably a sock that time. We didn't just ban them because of small-scale correlations. Anyway, with what Arnold said, this isn't enough to go by because there's more than one person like Vapourrrr in that group.

He literally admitted to using the Spiderr account and living with the guy, which formed gaping holes in his story. That's nowhere near the case here.
 
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No, my point was that you have almost nothing to go by.

You keep citing this misinterpretation as if it had anything to do with my counter-arguments in this comment, but it's totally irrelevant and harking on about it is what's silly. So, yes, we should move on.
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I said as much, yes. Hence why I feel this is a misunderstanding.

Historically, there are some cases like this, but not that many, and it's not evidence in and of itself or anything.
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I vehemently disagree, actually. In VSBW's long history, the majority of sock account situations are pre-forum, where we have slightly more refined tools to approach things. As I mentioned before, even that is easily circumvented. We must work on little evidence in this one genre of situation. Here, of course, further evidence is provided via testimony from a trusted user- that is, Arnold- so the point is moot. But in general, we do what we must.

Firstly, we knew the discord already existed, IIRC, just not that Hollow was part of it. This isn't sudden. It's kind of like how Donatien was a sock puppet that ran an anti-God of War discord with lots of like minded people, many of whom separately made accounts just to target GoW ratings.

Secondly, sorry, when did I say that this wasn't suspicious, or suggest that suspicion is unwarranted? Literally all I said was that we should actually wait for him to drop the ball or get hard evidence (not even proof) before we ban him.

Hell, I'll say it now, I do think this guy probably is Vapourrrr (even bearing in mind what Arnold said), but the problem is that A) I don't have any reason to act on that, and B) the behavioural/calculation similarities are laser-focused half-truths.

Keep an eye on him, sure, because, at the very least, we have real evidence that Vapourrrr is vicariously sharing opinions through the HollowVanity account.
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You seem to imply that you believe we have little to go on. I believe there is reasonable concern here. If you find it suspicious, and just presently won't act on that, then fair enough, but we're getting back into semantics again at this point.

Regardless, we've acted on similar levels of data in the past. Even in the immediate past have been situations with less data and more action. I don't agree with that approach necessarily, but here I at least can see the virtue of it. That's all I'm saying, man.
 
I disagree with almost everything you just said, but it seems we're on the same page with an unban, so I don't feel the need to continue.
Mr._Bambu said:
Even in the void of hard evidence of the server, I trust Arnold enough to use this as verification in this instance at least. I'd be fine with an unban.
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Reporting ShionAH for literally refusing to engage with my posts in a CRT multiple times.

The Abilities are only disagreed by @Ayewale and not a staff member so I dont care much about that.
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Then after I point out that this is unquestionably wrong
I can do it actually, its a perfectly normal thing to do since Blue Names have no power.
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I swear to god that this isn't something that another member, much less another non-staff, can do.

In response to a staff member:
I already disagreed with you and after you said "No matter what you do I will still disagree" so I wont even argue with you.
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(For context, what they actually said was "...but unless you try different argumentation I'm probably going to still reject it.")

Then Shion made a post where some of their arguments were, verbatim,
"Cringe argument."

"It still is a supporting evidence." [To an argument where I said it doesn't work as evidence at all]

"What the? I am so confused. This isnt even an arguement just a headcanon..."

"I aint even explaining how these are not enough to remove or make it limited lmaooo"

"Why would it not be Plot?? What else could it be???" [I just explained why it would not be plot]

Refuses to give one of Bill's powers a link to the feat after pointing out it has none.

"Wow."

"We aint deleting all the supporting evidence just so you or eficiente can downgrade it when we stop caring about Bill lmao."
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Keep in mind that every single one of these was in response to a detailed argument of mine. I didn't pick 'bad' responses, these ones are straight up deciding to not respond to me. Then they continue in a sequel post:
"Not everyone. I dont see how it is not resistance tbh most "debunks" are completely fanon "Bill is stronger so his power was not drained" was one I heard." [Doesn't respond to my debunk at all, in any way]

"...I cannot answer. You simply say you disagree." [I never even remotely have.]

"No idea which power this is talking about" [in response to a quote from himself a few hours ago?]

"Actually if theres a text explanation its enough. Everyone also knows the feat." [Still refusing to give a power a link. I am flabbergasted at this point]

"Wtf you mean??"

"...I am not answering this, Phoenks or Strym can deal with you"
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I can't stress enough that I'm not just picking the 'bad' arguments, I wouldn't report someone for being stupid. Shion is going out of their way to, in their own words, not answer my post or just break very basic wiki policy. It's terrifically bad faith that they are admitting to themselves.
 
Ayewale said:
Reporting ShionAH for literally refusing to engage with my posts in a CRT multiple times.
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He doesn't have to engage you. Bad debating tactics are not rule violations. At worst it just makes him look bad.

That said, some of his post are starting to be kind of rude, so a very mild warning to stay on track would suffice imo.
 
Ayewale said:
Can you ignore arguments on the basis of them being non-staff members? I'm pretty confident that if someone made a debunk to a thread and everyone chose to ignore it despite it being a valid, not-repetitive argument they would've broken a rule.
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if staff ignored arguments, that's on them not doing their job properly
 
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Borsalino (Kizaru)

Real name Borsalino, Kizaru is the only pre-timeskip Admiral to have retained his position after the timeskip, after Akainu was promoted and Aokiji left. He has somewhat of an absentminded and out-there personality, committing such acts as mistaking his snail wiretap for his phone, and politely...
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TheShape03 said:
This user made edits to this character's Lifting Strength apparently without a CRT, he also updated a link that didn't work, so I don't think his intentions were bad but it would be good to let him know that you can't edit the stats without a CRT.
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Left him a Message.
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
He doesn't have to engage you. Bad debating tactics are not rule violations. At worst it just makes him look bad.

That said, some of his post are starting to be kind of rude, so a very mild warning to stay on track would suffice imo.
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I also agree with this.
 
This user violated the site rules on this thread. He specifically broke the "everybody who visits this wiki strictly to ... or try to dismantle our tiering system, will be permanently banned from our community" part of the Be Respectful section.

I posted proof for this on that specific thread and was told to forward it here, so I'll copy and paste what I wrote:


"I know this comment is very late, but there's no reason for this thread to still be open. @Valrhavn is known to have a FT (well, Mashima in general tbh) hateboner on ComicVine, though he uses the name MirioTogata on that website. Y'all caught on to his bias but here's some proof:

1) Constant Ragna vs FT threads whether other users claim that it's made with spite + he argues for sub-mountain level Dragon Gods and directs troll comments at the "FT fandom," verbatim from his comments. This user is also a very big Ragna fan as seen on his profile.

2) Big Kishimoto fan as seen by their activity on their VSBattles profile and on ComicVine (look at MirioTogata's comments).

3) Mirio and Valrhavn both have an unhealthy obsession with downgrading Fairy Tail's speed. As if this thread wasn't proof enough, here's overwhelming proof given this user's activity on CV (look for his comments/posts):

One

Two

This thread he made is a literal copy and paste of his original ComicVine one.

More comments from him.

And the final one I'll post because I think this is more than enough."

This user consistently went out of his way to annoy fans of Mashima's series on ComicVine and has such a big hateboner to the point where he's made threads on this site as well, as seen in the thread I posted and the one I will post below. Every point that he brought up was already addressed in previous threads so they bring no substance other than ill intent, and other users commented on how this seemed like a spiteful thread considering his history of FT downgrade threads on this site. He even went out of his way to ask for support to downgrade the series and claimed that his threads keep getting shut down because one of the staff members is heavily biased in favor of Fairy Tail.

Others claimed that he could not have any spite, but considering the evidence, it's pretty much confirmed that these two users are the same and he in fact does not have good intentions.
 
I don't think anything here comes remotely close to an attempt to dismantle our tiering system. We have a great deal of individuals who vehemently disagree with ratings on certain verses, and while many would accept the voice of the many, some will remain insistent. Presuming it is done respectfully (and without a great deal of spamming) it is not and should not be against our rules.
 
I have interacted with @Valrhavn a deal on the site and would like to corroborate that they do not have any intentions to dismantle the tiering system, or cause harm. They do have their opinions which they are difficult to convince to fall out of, but they are very respectful in debate and have caused no genuine issues.
 
Reporting @Fallen_Angelicx for being passive agressive and trying to falsely close CRTs

"It seems you are not knowledgeable on vs battle standards at all"
"^^ your point is useless"
"Downplaying the feat. His power has been sealed for 10k year which would make his pre-reincarnated self 10k+ years old which is longtivety. Ressurection comes from him Reincarnating into his now 16 year old self."
"What kind of downgrade thread is this??"
"This is why people who aren't knowledgeable on certain verses should not make content on things they don't know."
"This is how ik you are not knowledgeable on the verse at all. The context in the feat is literally both characters using their tricks, one of space manipulating and one time manipulating to then make a universe. Its still space-time manipulation because they're using space-time based powers to create a universe. Stop downplaying the feat without knowing the context."
"I'm gonna ask a mod to close this as shionah is not knowledgeable on the verse and is making a thread based on assumptions. Only knowledgeable people on verses and mods are allowed to comment or make content on verses."
"That's not the point. Seeing stuff doesn't make u knowledgeable on everything. Don't blame the page. It is simply your fault and problem making a thread on something you don't know about to argue based on assumptions and hearsays which is why I'm gonna ask this to get closed."
"You haven't attacked what I just explained. That's just ignorance."
"Bro why you mad?? 💀💀 chill out with the aggressiveness, like we said we're gonna do that, just wait cuz remember we gotta get the actual scans on inconsistent ah imgur" (To a perfectly normal comment. I assume they did this since I told them to stop being angry before.)

I dont care what the punishment is but trying to gatekeep a verse because "you dont know anything" is weird.

Edit: "Why do you always do this??? Always ignoring what's posted as usual. Downplay feats as usual."
 
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Mr._Bambu said:
Those particular comments do seem a bit unnecessarily aggro. I'll dig through the thread when I have time to assess what's going on.
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I dont even care about the aggro much just the whole "You dont know the series enough! Close this CRT" seems like he is trying to lock the verse downgrades
 
ShionAH said:
I dont even care about the aggro much just the whole "You dont know the series enough! Close this CRT" seems like he is trying to lock the verse downgrades
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That's what I would call aggro behavior. While we are slow to apply them in most circumstances, our site has rules regarding respect and kindness. So I'll look into it and decide if this is a case where it's bad enough to warrant a violation.
 
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