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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

TheMonkeMan said:
I apologized to him about it in private, I was just incredibly pissed because my report on Dread was disregarded and I got thread banned for practically no good reason, so I started taking it out on others.
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This is not true, for the record, or at least if it is, I surely couldn't tell you where, unless he's referring to the deleted message I got on Discord earlier. In truth, the man doubled down. I've tried to patch up relations with Monke in the past few days, and have successfully done so with others on that thread that I felt came to bad blood (or could have). Every time I feel we've come to some amount of understanding he turns around and starts spreading legitimate hate.

I'm not going to urge action but it bears noting that this part is at least a lie.

Edit: I would like to substantiate what Random said, by the way. I'm aware most people on those threads are just talking shit for laughs and don't mean any harm, there's just exceptions that mean very real spite towards other people to an unreasonable degree, and it ain't just directed towards me. The obsession with Dread is palpable, and certain other staff members have been derided for no good reason by parties who, when asked earnestly, openly proclaim to hate them.

Like I said, if these parties are allowed to continue to function, it's probably best to remove those types of threads, or remove the parties responsible for ******' 'em up.
 
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Agnaa said:
If you think posts like that - insulting people you have actual grievances with, who aren't your friends, in ways that they don't enjoy - is the point of the thread, then it should probably be closed.

But hey, I wouldn't be upset with waiting until a third strike before shutting it down.
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Guess what? People are going to gripe about the staff being incompetent no matter which thread it's on.
You're monitoring which thread they do it in, and not monitoring their behavior in general.
Even if you close it, they'll just migrate and do it on a different one.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
This is not true, for the record, or at least if it is, I surely couldn't tell you where, unless he's referring to the deleted message I got on Discord earlier. In truth, the man doubled down. I've tried to patch up relations with Monke in the past few days, and have successfully done so with others on that thread that I felt came to bad blood (or could have). Every time I feel we've come to some amount of understanding he turns around and starts spreading legitimate hate.

I'm not going to urge action but it bears noting that this part is at least a lie.
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D-Did you purposefully leave out the gif I posted which basically shows that the last message I posted wasn't completely serious?
You were just saying "lol" and "kek" so I responded with an equally immature response.
Don't throw stones at me, your house will come crumbling down the moment you do.
And we can clearly see you started it by messaging me out of nowhere to show that to me.
 
I'm not saying I was being mature. There's not much point being mature, given the fact that when I have approached you in such a way, you turn around and... continue acting horribly. I'm pointing out that when you say you apologized, you did not. It is my experience over the past week or two that to get a half-hearted apology, I would need to reach out first. I would like bad blood to be avoided, but I have been denied this.

If it does get down to a "three strikes" system in regards to issues surrounding Monke, I believe we're well past that, unless the proposal is to start counting now.
 
Just posting my two sense

Regardless of intentions shitposting about certain users is a very sensitive balance
Not every user is going to interpret your slander against them as completely harmless; It's subjective from person to person

And on the other side of the coin some users hide behind the shield of irony in order to post real hateful banter of another user (Usually Staff)
This quickly escalates as other users usually pile on with more insults and banter that may or may not have the intent to demean

And lets face it, all the thread has been the past few weeks is arguments between staff and other users with no actual "Slander" being posted anymore

It's devolved into thinly veiled personal attacks towards mainly staff

In my personal opinion it would be best to initiate a ban on these types of threads
 
Agnaa said:
Not over shit that happened a week or two ago, shit that happened today (etc. not gonna bother looking for more). Stuff from two weeks ago was brought up to establish a precedent, since Clover said it's not usually like that.

The thread, by its nature, already walks that line.

This wouldn't be the first time we've closed a "borderline but in concept okay" thread because people keep breaking the rules in it (last time it was threads about posting pics of attractive characters, that repeatedly devolved into NSFW posts).
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Your posts that you're currently being scrutinized for were from today, man, Agnaa already pointed this out. It isn't past drama if you refuse to move past it and keep using it as fuel for hate.

You hate my ass, cool. You hate Dread and Crab and Deagon and probably two dozen other mfs, fine. You shit talk them on Discord, that's your right. The point is that on the site, we have rules about this, rules you have been allowed to skate past for weeks now without taking a damn hint. And now, beacon of maturity that you are, you refuse to take responsibility for this shit when it would be such a simple matter to say "I was wrong, I ****** up, I was just angry, I'm sorry", and to just... actually move on.

Good luck out there, man. I really hoped it wouldn't come to this.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Stuff I was ALREADY WARNED FOR, APOLOGIZED FOR, AND MOVED PAST.
This isn't even worth a ban when I think about it, you're just igniting a flame that was already out.

"Rules you have been allowed to skate past for weeks now"
Gee whiz I wonder who that reminds me of. Someone who could break the rules frequently and got off with only a warning, but somehow I'm banned for something I already got warned for.
That's CRAZY bruh.
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Repeatedly doing the same TOS thing then apologizing for it doesn't excuse you doing it in the first place

The fact this keeps repeatedly happening seems to be that you apologize only to avoid getting strikes
 
Your post defending yourself was to subvert the current issue and bring Dread back into the spotlight, which is unnecessary, and was lying about the same things tackled elsewhere, which is very silly. If you can compose yourself like an adult, you will be treated like one.

@Maverick_Zero_X If you're pulling the trigger on a ban, I think it ought to be a mid-length one. You're free to read the replies he's attempting to post, I don't think he particularly cares and has continued to firebrand here on the RVR. Gut instinct says 3-6 months.
 
It's not "stuff you were already warned for", it's bringing up those warnings in light of behaviour you have continued doing to this day.

And I do find it troubling that you have neglected to post evidence of you apologizing to Bambu, after he's said that you didn't, and showed screenshots of you insulting him further in DMs.

In light of that, I can only deduce that you lied about having apologized; which is, again, bad behaviour that you have committed today.
 
Agnaa said:
It's not "stuff you were already warned for", it's bringing up those warnings in light of behaviour you have continued doing to this day.

And I do find it troubling that you have neglected to post evidence of you apologizing to Bambu, after he's said that you didn't, and showed screenshots of you insulting him further in DMs.

In light of that, I can only deduce that you lied about having apologized; which is, again, bad behaviour that you have committed today.
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Bambu blatantly insulted me as well, and I've shown evidence of him doing so, but alright.
Just ban me and get it over with, I don't really care.
 
The only thing you've posted that I can see approaching that is this, where the only actual personal insult I can dig out is "learn to read".

Ideally he wouldn't have gotten that hostile, but given the context of y'all having insulted him over Discord beforehand, I can't get too upset at that.

That one minor instance is not comparable to your case.
 
Agnaa said:
The only thing you've posted that I can see approaching that is this, where the only actual personal insult I can dig out is "learn to read".

Ideally he wouldn't have gotten that hostile, but given the context of y'all having insulted him over Discord beforehand, I can't get too upset at that.

That one minor instance is not comparable to your case.
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Insults were being thrown on both sides, buddy.
Again, what exactly have I done to warrant this ban?
 
Agnaa said:
The only thing you've posted that I can see approaching that is this, where the only actual personal insult I can dig out is "learn to read".

Ideally he wouldn't have gotten that hostile, but given the context of y'all having insulted him over Discord beforehand, I can't get too upset at that.

That one minor instance is not comparable to your case.
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The context to that one was Monke implying I had been in favor of keeping pornographic verses on the wiki, whereas in truth I was one of the ones pushing for their deletion. The second post was after I learned about the conspiracy to demote me for deleting spam posts on the Logan Paul thread.

Monke is referring to Discord, where I indeed referred to him as a "*******" on the second or third arc of "Monke fake-apologizes and then goes back to spreading lies". I can happily show the entire message history if desired but our rules offsite don't cover rudeness. Monke is either confused or deliberately not understanding, though: he claimed to have apologized in private, offsite messages show this is not the case. No rules were broken when he repeatedly referred to me as a douche offsite- this is not the crux of the issue.
 
Agnaa said:
I'm rather lenient with bans, but I wouldn't want to go above a month. Preferably in the realm of 2 weeks.
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I could agree to a month, I'm inclined to step down since I'm close to this particular case.
 
MonkeMan posted off-site the response he was about to send, that I'll paraphrase.

If that insult's bannable, a lot of other people should be banned.
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I don't believe they were warned as many times as you.

If Deagon finds that offensive, then you can delete it and I'll apologize.
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If? Mate, he reported you for your posts in that thread.

They were just jokes. You can tell because of this and that.
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Don't jokingly insult people you aren't friends with on-site.

Banning me for those insults is hypocrisy.
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Show me someone else who was warned 2+ times for insulting others in the past month, who continued to do so, and I'll ask for them to be banned too.
 
Now that we've cleaned house a bit, @Mr._Bambu @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @LephyrTheRevanchist

Can you offer your thoughts about potentially closing that thread? I read through a few pages of it, and my personal assessment is that it teeters to closely on the edge of just being an explicit venue for shit talking other members, pretty regularly oscillating away from harmless shitposting to "by the way we all really hate [x user who is not in on the joke such as me, Bambu, Dread, others].

I'm not trying to be the fun police, but this seems to be a bit of a problem.
 
Deagonx said:
Now that we've cleaned house a bit, @Mr._Bambu @Maverick_Zero_X @Crabwhale @LephyrTheRevanchist

Can you offer your thoughts about potentially closing that thread? I read through a few pages of it, and my personal assessment is that it teeters to closely on the edge of just being an explicit venue for shit talking other members, pretty regularly oscillating away from harmless shitposting to "by the way we all really hate [x user who is not in on the joke such as me, Bambu, Dread, others].

I'm not trying to be the fun police, but this seems to be a bit of a problem.
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I think Mav already closed it
 
I think what Random said is mostly true. The thread is intended to be in good fun and until recently was mostly directed towards people already taking part in the thread, which in my eyes constitutes a social contract of sorts.

However it is apparent that those sorts of threads attract more negative sorts out to use them as conduits of hate and malice.

I think Mav is right to close that particular thread, drenched in malevolence as it is, but I think that type of thread ought to remain, for now. We should keep an eye on them and if it becomes a repeating trend, then at that point maybe we just have to be unfunny clowns and close down shop.
 
I think the recent initiative to more closely track RVR trolls is indicative of taking some good steps in the right direction.

To be frank, we have a bit of a problem with members who are basically constantly hovering at a just-barely-not-report-worthy level of snarky, rude, etc.

My hope is that we will continue to make more steps in that direction, not to the extent of "tone-policing" but more "you aren't going to be allowed to be a low-intensity jerk indefinitely until one day you slip up bad enough to be reported." And take a more proactive approach in fostering a more productive and polite atmosphere by removing some of the folk that are constantly poisoning the well.
 
This is just a note that I personally consider ImmortalDread to have been continuously extremely helpful to me and our staff with getting important tasks done, and I have personally recurrently asked her to provide competent help in this regard, even though she lacks a bit of common sense regarding when she should or should not make an effort to be helpful, including in this RVR thread.

Among other things, I have personally tried to get her promoted to a content moderator position, but given that there were too many staff members that disagreed, it seems like she has to exercise greater self-control regarding when her help is genuinely needed and/or requested or not before her promotion can be accepted.

Also, she has been quite extensively bullied off-site by other members of this community who have been intolerant regarding her personality quirks, which is not acceptable.
 
Regarding MonkeMan, I personally have mostly good experiences of him, but he only received a 1 month warning block.

I also think Ravee helped to financially support our site to exist in the past, so it is very unfortunate that this happened. Does anybody know if he is black or not? If he is, maybe we can cut his ban in half to 6 months?
 
Antvasima said:
Does anybody know if he is black or not? If he is, maybe we can cut his ban in half to 6 months?
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That is not meaningfully relevant here. I understand the connection you're drawing, but it's inappropriate for anyone to use crude language on this forum, and they would have known that very well.

I'm not going to debate the semantics of who is/isn't allowed to say the n-word, or whether it is more/less acceptable for certain people to use it. On here, it is unacceptable for anyone to use it, and I don't believe Ravee was ignorant of this.
 
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