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You are incapable of even defining how an outlier is even considerable in the first place.
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You are incapable of even defining how an outlier is even considerable in the first place.
Ki Blasts accelerate over distances. No calculation takes into account acceleration, meaning that the capability to hit a moon is irrelevant to fights happening across sub-kilometer distances between fighters.There's also the feat of a low-level Cerealian destroying a moon.
Timeframe | Acceleration |
3 s | 85,000 km/s^2 |
5 s | 31,000 km/s^2 |
10 s | 7600 km/s^2 |
(Filler) | 10 meters | 50 meters | 100 meters |
3 s | 85,000 km/s^2 | 41,300 m/s | 92,400 m/s | 131,000 m/s |
5 s | 31,000 km/s^2 | 24,800 m/s | 55,400 m/s | 78,400 m/s |
10 s | 7600 km/s^2 | 12,400 m/s | 27,700 m/s | 39,200 m/s |
Congratulations, Matthew. You proved my point, because that's not how you define an outlier in fiction, because there are numerous nuances to consider other than the value itself, like how serious X character is, how much stronger Y character is than X, who has the lower feat, has X character become stronger than when he performed the lower feat, etc, etc.
There.
I don't care how you do things because you're literally wrong.Congratulations, Matthew. You proved my point, because that's not how you define an outlier in fiction, because there are numerous nuances to consider other than the value itself, like how serious X character is, how much stronger Y character is than X, who has the lower feat, has X character become stronger than when he performed the lower feat, etc, etc.
Again, you're not debating the feat, you just have a problem with the value it yields, that's not how you do anything, ever.
That's just any speed calculation on this wiki, ever.Ki Blasts accelerate over distances. No calculation takes into account acceleration, meaning that the capability to hit a moon is irrelevant to fights happening across sub-kilometer distances between fighters.
Then every speed calculation on the wiki is wrong.That's just any speed calculation on this wiki, ever.
Because it's redudant.
This man used to be a staff...I don't care how you do things because you're literally wrong.
Great. Now stop derailing the thread, this is my last request.Then every speed calculation on the wiki is wrong.
And now I am free.
Can you guys please not turn this thread toxic?
ki blasts
accelerate
Short burst flight and movements (especially those that are performed during the course of battles, like in this case) generally fall under combat speed only as far as I know. Travel speed is specifically for longer distances only. So it is practically the same, no matter how you decide to write it in the profiles."X combat speed and short-burst flight speed, Y long-distances flight speed"
Isn't the same as generalizing "X combat, Y flight"
My warning was in vain, I see...Guys, let's not derail.
Will be back to this tomorrow.
Yeah, but they can keep these FTL flight speeds for a certain range (far above what would be combat speed, since it's hundreds of meters), so stating in both the speed section, and range section that their speed would be dropped to a specific value due to the stamina issue would be the best approach imho.Short burst flight and movements (especially those that are performed during the course of battles, like in this case) generally fall under combat speed only as far as I know. Travel speed is specifically for longer distances only. So it is practically the same, no matter how you decide to write it in the profiles.
Edit: nevermind.Holy **** I leave for one second and fate shovels shit in my face.
I guess this could be a fair compromise, that is if there would be a scan proving the stamina issue thingYeah, but they can keep these FTL flight speeds for a certain range (far above what would be combat speed, since it's hundreds of meters), so stating in both the speed section, and range section that their speed would be dropped to a specific value due to the stamina issue would be the best approach imho.
22nd BudokaiDragon Ball - Travel Speed Feats
Note: A bit off topic, but Toriyama is kinda psychotic, going through these earlier chapters honestly disgusted me with all the children stuff.
Pilaf Saga
This scales to the Pilaf Saga key because it's before the tournament or any sort of training. Also, Goku's page states Roshi said that even without training, Goku should run 100m in 5s, which is untrue, he says that, WITH training, they should do it.
- Early Goku states a motorcycle is faster than he can run [Chapter 1]
- Goku gets the Kinto-un, which was confirmed to be Mach 1.5 (Supersonic) [Chapter 4, Daizenshuu 7]
- Transformed Oolong can flee from Kinto-un [Chapter 6]
- Chi-Chi outruns a Tyrannosaurus Rex, which can run at 7,5m/s (Average Human+) [Chapter 11]
- Goku's Bō extends to the moon in a very short timeframe (Relativistic to FTL) [Chapter 17]*
- Krillin can run 100m in around 10 seconds, or 10m/s (Athletic Human+) [Chapter 28]
- Prior to any training, Goku can run 100m in 8.5 seconds, or 11.76m/s (Peak Human+) [Chapter 28]
- Roshi can run 100m in 5.6 seconds, or 17.5m/s (Superhuman) [Chapter 28]
* - Outlier
Speed: Peak Human+ with Subsonic combat and reaction speed, Supersonic with Flying Nimbus
Goku
Chi-ChiSpeed: Average Human+, with Superhuman reaction speeds
Krillin (Does not have a Pilaf Saga key)
YamchaSpeed: Athletic Human+ with Subsonic combat speed and reactions
Master Roshi (Does not have a Pilaf Saga key)
21st Budokai
- Roshi stated that, with training, both Krillin and Goku should run 100m in 5 seconds, or 20m/s (Supersonic) [Chapter 28]
- Roshi, Goku and Krillin outruns dinosaurs [Chapter 30]
- Goku and Krillin outrun a shark while swimming, 2.2m/s (Below Average Human) [Chapter 31]
- While at full strength, Goku runs so fast it's as if he disappeared for his opponent (Subsonic) [Chapter 33]
- Goku can jump and descend at the same speed as Nam (Supersonic) [Chapter 45]
General Blue Saga
That's it.
- Ninja Murasaki can somewhat keep up with Goku's travel speed, albeit slower [Chapter 60]
Commander Red Saga
Well, that's 100 chapters, or about more than half OG DB, I will finish this later, if you all don't mind
- Tao Pai Pai can jump and catch up to his pillar, and travel with it (Hypersonic+) [Chapter 85]
- After the magic water training, Goku completed a trip in 3 hours, when it took him 24 hours to do it before. [Chapter 89]
Vizer, you're misrepresenting my argument.Frieza was f*cking desperate to obtain his wish and had no reason to hold back his speed at all, and he still couldn't obtain his wish in time.
@GodlyCharmander: Ah yes, totally FTL...
I mean, that's still rather bad distance wise. 1,000 * 1,000 / 20 / 60 = 833.34 m/s or mach 2.42also this from their home to Orange Star Highschool
Piccolo and Roshi’s moon blasts are combat speed feats so that wouldn’t workI think we should downgrade their combat speed also, because it's the same source for their flight speed.
Combat speed with many anti-feats. The only things portrayed than FTL in DBZ are Saiyan pods and Bulma's ship.Piccolo and Roshi’s moon blasts are combat speed feats so that wouldn’t work
Combat speed with many anti-feats. The only things portrayed than FTL in DBZ are Saiyan pods and Bulma's ship.
Cap. Actual cap.Combat speed with many anti-feats. The only things portrayed than FTL in DBZ are Saiyan pods and Bulma's ship.
Facts, complete facts.Combat speed with many anti-feats. The only things portrayed than FTL in DBZ are Saiyan pods and Bulma's ship.
This argument again? Seriously? It's one thing to apply this to travel speed, but applying this to combat speed is even dumber than you think, especially if you take into factor the whole "consistently outpaces their own ki blasts and attacks" type of stuff. Also the spaceship argument is horseshit because literally the only reason they exist is because the Saiyans can't breathe in space.Combat speed with many anti-feats. The only things portrayed than FTL in DBZ are Saiyan pods and Bulma's ship.
Prove them then. Every single one of these inconsistencies have either been 1. Ignoring context or 2. Not truly showcasing their real power.Facts, complete facts.
I guess not. Feel free.No need to respond to them KLOL, It's getting off-topic.
Would people object to me locking the thread until Monday?
Might help stop things getting out of hand skills I'm away from my PC.