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It seems reasonable to me with how much the manga hammers it home that he's capable of so, so yeah.
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Revising Dragon Ball Flight Speed (Dragon Ball + DBZ + DBS Manga)
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Yes scale him to his combat speed.
Also note that Gokh and vegeta's flight speed can match casual kid buu's combat speed.
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That's a slow-moving Ki blast; no reason to assume that was MFTL+.
Not all attacks are the same speed.
Not all attacks are the same speed.
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Bruh. It had enough ki that goku and vegeta could not stop or run away from it. And that's a terrible argument. It's slow from the perspective of the viewer. It's not actually slow. Goku and vegeta at top speed couldn't outrun it.
Hell an even less suppressed ki blast from kid buu required vegeta to use a serious blast to neutralize and you expect the bigger ki blast to be slower?
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I think it is common sense that if something is big, it is slow.
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That's a bit of a circular argument; Goku and Vegeta's flight speed is impressive because they kept up with a Kid Buu ki blast, but Kid Buu's ki blast is impressive because it kept up with Goku and Vegeta.
And yes, the bigger Ki blast could be slower. The point of it was to be more destructive than the first one; not necessarily faster.
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In the manga the Ki Blast was gaining on Goku and Vegeta, it's faster than them. A simpler justification for Buu's travel speed is what was touched upon above, which is that he can travel to planets that would be at least outside of Earth's solar system in relatively immediate timeframes instead of weird combat speed scaling.
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That's ridiculous. Bigger size just means it requires more energy to move. This doesn't apply to a ki blast that gets faster and stronger the more ki is pumped into it.
The ki blast by default scales to kid buu's combat speed which is MFTL+. It could only be slower if kid buu is explicitly suppressing it to go slower which is clearly not happening and you have to prove it's going slower. The argument that it's going slower is still completely baseless and at other shots the blast appears to be moving at high speed. 2:45
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It seems to me that the Ki blast accelerates as it catches up to them.
But anyway; more Ki doesn't necessarily always means more speed. The Spirit Bomb at the end of Z is likely the strongest attack in the series up to that point, but it is clearly slower than some of Goku's other attacks which previously overwhelmed Kid Buu.
Anyway, I'll cover Ki blasts and stuff more in a future thread. Just closing out the speed ratings for the majority of the characters right now.
But anyway; more Ki doesn't necessarily always means more speed. The Spirit Bomb at the end of Z is likely the strongest attack in the series up to that point, but it is clearly slower than some of Goku's other attacks which previously overwhelmed Kid Buu.
Anyway, I'll cover Ki blasts and stuff more in a future thread. Just closing out the speed ratings for the majority of the characters right now.
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We discussed this already, some characters can use MFTL speeds on short bursts but they can't keep this speed over long distances due to stamina issues.Yes scale him to his combat speed.
Also note that Gokh and vegeta's flight speed can match casual kid buu's combat speed.
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That's does not matter.
Not it isn't slower. It actually blitzes buu and he's forced to block it.
And when kid buu can't block it anymore, it vaporizes him making a giant hole instantly.
Okay.
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Buu was not blitzed, he was shocked that the Spirit Bomb blasted through his Kamehameha.
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One day, I'll never have to see those 0% quality Dragon Ball scans used in CRTs again.
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That and it was still fast enough for him to not be able to do anything until it got in his face. There is nothing to suggest it got slower.
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Not saying that the spirit bomb was slow. Just that it was slower than some of SS3 Goku's other attacks which Buu couldn't defend against - despite the spirit bomb having Ki from everyone including Gohan who is stronger than SS3 Goku.
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The first example, buu was at close range and literally ran into the attack, considering that he was fighting a reckless way because of regeneration, this isn't the case with the spirit bomb because he could sense the danger and tried to physically stop it twice.
The second attack he was caught off guard and barely reacted.
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This!
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Bumping this, any progress on the blog?
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Yep, I believe that the blog is done now.
I could add in more references & scans, but I think all of the essentials are in there for the revision.
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Okay sounds good I'll take a look
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Just gonna move this up as well for ease of access
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Thanks. I've also added it to the OP.
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No prob and everything looks good as far as I can see, I made sure to read through it thoroughly
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There's a broken reference.
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That'll be fine once it is on the profile itself.
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Was gonna say those usually fix themselves when they're published on profiles unless we're still going to link this blog on the verse page in which case it'd likely need to be fixed
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Hopefully @AKM sama or @DarkDragonMedeus or @Elizhaa will be able to look over the sandbox and approve it so that the changes can be made.
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Looked over the sandbox and it looks fine to be applied
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Awesome, thanks. Will just wait for one more approval then will get on to committing the changes.
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Thanks for the approval!
DDM has also indicated to me that he finds the changes fine to proceed, so I will begin the process of editing the pages later today - and will add a explanatory note to the verse page when I am done.
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Will the edits be as simple as copying and pasting the source from the blog on the relevant profiles?
As expected
can't wait to see it
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All profiles have been updated.
I'll add a note and the calcs to the verse page tomorrow, then close this thread.
I'll add a note and the calcs to the verse page tomorrow, then close this thread.
Vizer04
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You've done an excellent job Damage :3
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Nice that's good to hear
