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Resistance to ToonForce for Beerus
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Ok, that first part doesn't make sense, Beerus could have easily used his mind, especially since that attack was from a warrior who was nothing to him, even enraged Vegeta in BoG should surpass him due to Beerus' reaction. What energy shield? Telekinesis does not require an energy shield around the attack, that's just head canon.Magi Hussie said:
I know attack reflection can home in on enemies, but Beerus also stopped it.
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> That's only with kamehameha
Doesn't matter. The point is, Goku can use IT without using his fingers. So he could have done the same here.
There is just not enough proof which implies it was Beerus. It could still be any of the other two characters who can teleport. We will need more proof of Beerus teleporting by himself to be able to accept that. Right now, it is too iffy and other possibilities outweigh the assumption that it was Beerus.
That's all from me on this matter. Now I digress.
Doesn't matter. The point is, Goku can use IT without using his fingers. So he could have done the same here.
There is just not enough proof which implies it was Beerus. It could still be any of the other two characters who can teleport. We will need more proof of Beerus teleporting by himself to be able to accept that. Right now, it is too iffy and other possibilities outweigh the assumption that it was Beerus.
That's all from me on this matter. Now I digress.
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1) I am uncertain. Creating winds by powerful physical movements is not usually what we mean with the ability.
2) The storm was likely for comedic effect.
3) Explosion manipulation seems fine.
4) If the gods have demonstrated telepathy, it is likely that other characters have it as well.
5) That is not power bestowal. It is just borrowing a temporary amount of energy. Power bestowal is to give somebody a permanent new ability or power raise. Or at least as far as I understand.
6) Bypassing immortality is speculation.
7) Light manipulation is a more versatile ability than a mere side-effect, including shooting lasers or creating holograms.
8) This might be reasonable, but I do not remember the episode well.
9) Sound manipulation is a more versatile ability than just screaming very high.
10) Maybe, but it is best if some other staff member verifies that teleportation happened within the video clip.
11) If Beerus has demonstrated telekinesis outright, there should be no likely before the ability, agreed.
12) Wasn't this done via Vegeta being scared due to the power difference between them?
13) Breath attack is usually reserved to force blasts from the mouth and such, not just powerful lung capacity.
14) I suppose that "likely teleportation" might be acceptable.
2) The storm was likely for comedic effect.
3) Explosion manipulation seems fine.
4) If the gods have demonstrated telepathy, it is likely that other characters have it as well.
5) That is not power bestowal. It is just borrowing a temporary amount of energy. Power bestowal is to give somebody a permanent new ability or power raise. Or at least as far as I understand.
6) Bypassing immortality is speculation.
7) Light manipulation is a more versatile ability than a mere side-effect, including shooting lasers or creating holograms.
8) This might be reasonable, but I do not remember the episode well.
9) Sound manipulation is a more versatile ability than just screaming very high.
10) Maybe, but it is best if some other staff member verifies that teleportation happened within the video clip.
11) If Beerus has demonstrated telekinesis outright, there should be no likely before the ability, agreed.
12) Wasn't this done via Vegeta being scared due to the power difference between them?
13) Breath attack is usually reserved to force blasts from the mouth and such, not just powerful lung capacity.
14) I suppose that "likely teleportation" might be acceptable.
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@ant 1. Ethier way he has done things that are listed on the page. Like creating tornados, powerfull winds, ect. Plus other characters have it who just created winds by yelling.
2. It was definitely for comedic effect, but that shouldnt make the feat null. They were the one who caused it and made it go away, plus they made a tornado.
5. If thats the case, then power bestowal on sidra's page should be removed.
6. Would 'possibly' be alright?
7. Grand priest got light manipulation for the same reason though. Plus their ki blast are similar to "shooting lasers" ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬».
8 Nice
9. Future warrior has sound manipulation via god of destruction roar. So if he has sound manipulation via that attack then beerus/champa should as well, sense its their ability.
12. No, vegeta tried to attack whis but he mentioned how his body is unable to move.
2. It was definitely for comedic effect, but that shouldnt make the feat null. They were the one who caused it and made it go away, plus they made a tornado.
5. If thats the case, then power bestowal on sidra's page should be removed.
6. Would 'possibly' be alright?
7. Grand priest got light manipulation for the same reason though. Plus their ki blast are similar to "shooting lasers" ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬».
8 Nice
9. Future warrior has sound manipulation via god of destruction roar. So if he has sound manipulation via that attack then beerus/champa should as well, sense its their ability.
12. No, vegeta tried to attack whis but he mentioned how his body is unable to move.
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1) I suppose that might work then.
2) Alright.
5) Probably, yes.
6) I don't think so.
7) It still seems inappropriate.
8) Well, I remember a previous discussion about this, and that Matthew disagreed.
9) I still do not think that just yelling loud is the same as sound manipulation. Several wrongs do not make a right.
12) Then it should probably be fine.
2) Alright.
5) Probably, yes.
6) I don't think so.
7) It still seems inappropriate.
8) Well, I remember a previous discussion about this, and that Matthew disagreed.
9) I still do not think that just yelling loud is the same as sound manipulation. Several wrongs do not make a right.
12) Then it should probably be fine.
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Number 12 will go to the other angels as well
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@ant 7. What about we just list it as color manipulation, but link it to light manipulation?
8. Ive seen way more people who agree that hes resistant rather than not. But if people are gonna have an issue with it, then I wouldnt mind if its listed as 'likely' or 'possible' ig.
9. A good example would be black canary. Where you just put sonic scream or whatnot, but link it to sound manipulation.
8. Ive seen way more people who agree that hes resistant rather than not. But if people are gonna have an issue with it, then I wouldnt mind if its listed as 'likely' or 'possible' ig.
9. A good example would be black canary. Where you just put sonic scream or whatnot, but link it to sound manipulation.
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@akm idk, I never really associated changing somethings color with Spatial manipulation. But if light manipulation is like a subpower of spatial minpulation like you're implying then I guess. But I still think the addition is fine tbh, esspecially sense others have both abilitys on their profiles.
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I don't think beerus is resistant to toonforce,he just was in an other level of power low2c>>>3a.That's why The Mask vs Goku got removed.They didn't have a real battle and beerus just overpowered her instantly,that shows the difference in power.Should Beerus have vibration manipulation for shaking so much the ground with just a simple touch of his foot and enhanced senses dor smelling that new food dr.slump's machine created?
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It is probably best if you ask the staff members listed under Dragon Ball in the Knowledgeable Members List to comment here.
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@thunder - Arale has abilitys that normal power wouldnt be able to resist (paralysis via shadows, turning the sun into a ballon, and trapping people in manga panels, ect), and it was stated her toonforce dosent work at all on him. Also imo arale should be atleast low 2c along with other early characters in dbs, but thats a whole diffrent topic lol.
- idk, he most certainly can use vibrations, and he can make shockwaves which grow stronger the longer they go. But on the profile it says that it cant be through brute force, so idk if it would accepted.
- He already has enhanced senses, but i wouldnt mind if it was noted that he smelled a peice of candy across the universe though.
- idk, he most certainly can use vibrations, and he can make shockwaves which grow stronger the longer they go. But on the profile it says that it cant be through brute force, so idk if it would accepted.
- He already has enhanced senses, but i wouldnt mind if it was noted that he smelled a peice of candy across the universe though.
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But anyways I thought of some new abilitys/more proof for the beebus.
Energy absorption, more proof for light manipulation, and eletricity manipulation. The reasoning will be in my original post.
But anyways I thought of some new abilitys/more proof for the beebus.
Energy absorption, more proof for light manipulation, and eletricity manipulation. The reasoning will be in my original post.
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Alright
Energy absorption for beerus - Beerus makes some energy dragon thing, and absorbs it into his body. https://youtu.be/9rEQ3ZJpej0
More proof on light manipulation - on mutiple occasions beerus/ goku were able to fill most of universe 7 (Including the kai realm, which is a diffrent space time then the mortal realm) with light. https://youtu.be/ZOeD0KnDnIg https://youtu.be/ZzYXJIqFVAk
Eletricity manipulation-
-In the beginning of episode 12, beerus' mere presense caused a eletrical/ionic storm. It was also messing up bulmas spaceship, and piccolo said particals are getting charged in the atmosphere which backs up it was an eletrical/ionic storm. - Beerus making a thunder storm (which obviously has lightning) backs this up too. - With alot of attacks youll see eletricity effects which also somewhat backs this up.
You agreed on wind manipulation, weather manipulation, explosive manipulation, likely telepathy, color manipulation,likely resistance to toonforce, sound manipulation via god of destruction roar(sonic scream), remove likely from beerus' telekinesis, paralysis for whis, and likely teleportion for zeno.
Energy absorption for beerus - Beerus makes some energy dragon thing, and absorbs it into his body. https://youtu.be/9rEQ3ZJpej0
More proof on light manipulation - on mutiple occasions beerus/ goku were able to fill most of universe 7 (Including the kai realm, which is a diffrent space time then the mortal realm) with light. https://youtu.be/ZOeD0KnDnIg https://youtu.be/ZzYXJIqFVAk
Eletricity manipulation-
-In the beginning of episode 12, beerus' mere presense caused a eletrical/ionic storm. It was also messing up bulmas spaceship, and piccolo said particals are getting charged in the atmosphere which backs up it was an eletrical/ionic storm. - Beerus making a thunder storm (which obviously has lightning) backs this up too. - With alot of attacks youll see eletricity effects which also somewhat backs this up.
You agreed on wind manipulation, weather manipulation, explosive manipulation, likely telepathy, color manipulation,likely resistance to toonforce, sound manipulation via god of destruction roar(sonic scream), remove likely from beerus' telekinesis, paralysis for whis, and likely teleportion for zeno.
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Well, as long as you try to be polite, you can probably ask the staff members listed under Dragon Ball in the Knowledgeable Members List to comment here.
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Why was resistance to Toonforce rejected again?
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Because Arale was never seen using Toonforce on Beerus, she only cracked the earth in the episode, her considerable strength was viewed by Vegeta as a gag and her toonforce is not as the same level of Bugs Bunny. Goku considered Beerus in an high regard and thought that her abilities would not work on him. All of these is what i have heard.
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What does Arale's toonforce not being on the same level as Bugs have to do with anything?
Her abilities not working on Beerus is the exact reason why he would have resistance
Her abilities not working on Beerus is the exact reason why he would have resistance
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@dark - When you have a statement and many other contributing factors. Like arale not defending her self(even though she has abilities which are beyond durability), Her creater begging beerus to stop, ect. At that point its kind of obvious that its just writer's intent imo, and her attacking beerus wouldnt be needed.
- Why would it matter if arale's toonforce isnt on the same level of bugs? Beerus wouldnt be getting immunity only resistance.
-Plus earlier in the thread, it was decided that if he got it he would get likely resistance as a good middle ground.
- Why would it matter if arale's toonforce isnt on the same level of bugs? Beerus wouldnt be getting immunity only resistance.
-Plus earlier in the thread, it was decided that if he got it he would get likely resistance as a good middle ground.
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I agree with them with the whole Bugs comparison being useless and having no bearing on the matter. However, if I didn't come here, I would've never assumed that Beerus had a resistance to toonforce.
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