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REMATCH: King of anime vs Queen of anime (Hopefully not a stomp)

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Iamunanimousinthat said:
I fail to see the criticalness of this DD. It does not reduce a character's stamina to one. It reduces a character's stamina from 3 bars to one bar. That's essentially reducing a character's stamina by a third. One-third of infinity is still infinity. It's not going to work on her. Plus, she recovers and regenerates stamina almost instantly, plus immune to powernull and energy negation by bypassing time and space.
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AGAIN!!!! FORGET THE BARS. The bars are gameplay aspects to display stamina levels and usage. In Vs Wiki, we use a CHARACTERS TRADITIONAL AND NATURAL Stamina level.

DD works on those with infinite Stamina and even if she recovers stamina DD automatically sets it right back to 1. Not a third but a flat value if 1.


Also wth. You can't get IMMUNITY to Power Null just by bypassing space and time. Characters who transcend space and time don't get resistance let alone immunity to power null unless statements or feats say they can. So Sailor is still vulnerable



Iamunanimousinthat said:
Also, when Sailor moon is incapicpated, the silver crystal can activate on it's own to protect her and can attack her enemies. She's resists time stop, fate and probability manipulation.
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Goku can power null the crystal with Keysword or just seal her away in a different dimensional where she can't escape.

Nth the Crystal is doing ain't affecting Goku

Gokus Probability can affect beings you transcend time and space and are Acausal

Iamunanimousinthat said:
Sailor Moon characters can sound off any attack with an incantation with can be thought of or said. Movement is not required, and if it was, we are talking about mere reflex like gestures like pointing, tipping her wand. And her most powerful attack is 100% thought based:

https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act60/010.jpg

and requires no movement.
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DD will make it that SHE CAN'T MOVE AND BARELY CAN THINK. All movement/gesture/incantation magic is out and thought based is gonna be very difficult because as I recall it requires significant effort which will incap her instantly the moment she tries to attempt it
Iamunanimousinthat said:
She opens with an attack that can erase Goku. I don't understand this argument about High Godly Erasure not being Existence Erasure because it is. Goku's aspects do not survive if his concept or information were erased. Sailor Moon's attacks erase the body and soul etc. automatically.
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Conceptual Erasure is way different than what Sailor is doing as Viet explained
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Goku's win condition requires him to incapacitate her and seal her, which are not what's he's going to open with. His other options are to summon other people, whom are also can be erased by her. Sailor Moon has High Godly Regen, she will regenerate if anyone erase her.
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Wincons?

Incap Loop
Demigra can absorb her
Demigra and Chronoa can Causality Erase her
And considering all 3 has DD sailor Literally can't attack in anyway. She even attempts to go on the offensive with anything is insta stun
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Sailor Moon's win condition is to erase him which she always opens with. With the Lambda power she has precognition.
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Based on what I have seen her Erasure is touch bases.
If so then Goku ***** with Probability so that ain't ever landing..
And that is considering she'd be able to do so considering DD makes it that she can't move and barely think
 
Vietthai96 said:
I re-read Moon profile again, she doesn't have Conceptual Erasure, she just erase Chaos - a NEP being through Void Manip, and Erase an AE type 1 being, and type 1 AE is not baed on concept. So her only chance is landing a Void Manipulation on Goku
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On the current profile it uses information instead of conceptual erasure which is still High Godly Erasure. And the information erasure is part of her existence erasure manipulation. All her attacks do this.
Vietthai96 said:
1. DD instantly set the stamina to 1 that is, no matter her stamina is infinite or not. Even if she recover her stamina it will instabtly set it to 1 again.
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Again, this doesn't make any sense. It reduces the stamina from three bars to one bar. If you divide sailor moon's stamina into three bars, one bar, or one-third is still going to be infinite.
And even if they set it to 1? One what? Percent? Stamina isn’t measured to units. If it was 1% it would still be infinite.


Ultra_instinct_issei said:
And no, silver crystal is 2-C at best. Xeno goku and his summons are massively above baseline 2-A. Silver crystal's defenses ain't protecting usagi.
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it protects her from passive hax.


Vietthai96 said:
3. I don't see anything about no movement here, she need to take out the crystal, raise her hand, and said the name of whatever she going to do, require a huge amount of effort. Other pic she need to move her arm and point the the staff, still movement. With stamina 1 she can't perform any action
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Her crystal appears with just a thought. She doesn’t need to raise her hands, she just started to use her powers.
Nothing says she needs to perform those specific movements to activate her powers. And in vs battling, calling out attack names is a free action.


Vietthai96 said:
4. In order to erase someone with High Godly you need EE along with Conceptual Erasure.
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she uses information erasure which still counts as high godly.


Vietthai96 said:
5. She can't erase anyone as all of them resist EE at the same level as Goku. And even though Goku open with ki blast which she will regen,
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Sailor Moon erased Chaos who resisted the cauldrons high godly erasure. They don’t resist that level of erasure.
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
Annd bypassing time and space? Demigra was transcedent of space time and yet he is affected.
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If the silver crystal is power nulled, it will simpley attack from a time or place where it wasn’t power nulled, by bypassing time or space.

Anyways, I won’t be responding till later.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
On the current profile it uses information instead of conceptual erasure which is still High Godly Erasure. And the information erasure is part of her existence erasure manipulation. All her attacks do this.

Again, this doesn't make any sense. It reduces the stamina from three bars to one bar. If you divide sailor moon's stamina into three bars, one bar, or one-third is still going to be infinite.
And even if they set it to 1? One what? Percent? Stamina isn’t measured to units. If it was 1% it would still be infinite.




it protects her from passive hax.



Her crystal appears with just a thought. She doesn’t need to raise her hands, she just started to use her powers.
Nothing says she needs to perform those specific movements to activate her powers. And in vs battling, calling out attack names is a free action.




she uses information erasure which still counts as high godly.



Sailor Moon erased Chaos who resisted the cauldrons high godly erasure. They don’t resist that level of erasure.

If the silver crystal is power nulled, it will simpley attack from a time or place where it wasn’t power nulled, by bypassing time or space.

Anyways, I won’t be responding till later.
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1. Nothing on profile stated she use information erasure. You make this up
2. It's doesn't make any sense, but it is just for you, and that how DD work. You forcefully using game mechanic in a simulated vs debate
3. Not on profile, as she didn't resist stamina being set to 1
4. Again not on profile, if she have make a CRT
5. I read both Moon and Chaos profile, no High-Godly Regen on it, if it have, make a CRT, don't make thing up for your favor
6. No feat, meaningless, like above, don't make thing up, or make CRT to justify them.

You have over 1k comment, and you still have this kind of debate?????
 
Vietthai96 said:
1. Nothing on profile stated she use information erasure. You make this up
2. It's doesn't make any sense, but it is just for you, and that how DD work. You forcefully using game mechanic in a simulated vs debate
3. Not on profile, as she didn't resist stamina being set to 1
4. Again not on profile, if she have make a CRT
5. I read both Moon and Chaos profile, no High-Godly Regen on it, if it have, make a CRT, don't make thing up for your favor
6. No feat, meaningless, like above, don't make thing up, or make CRT to justify them.

You have over 1k comment, and you still have this kind of debate?????
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Actually you are wrong about 5th point sailor moon has high godly regen chaos doesn't
 
DD doesn't reduce, it sets your stamina to 1. It literally works on people with infinite/limitless stamina, as ss3 explained ,any movement or sometimes even thoughts could actually incapacitate her. Any thing that requires stamina would literally just stun her, in stun her passive and thought based abilities will get disabled.
Goku has some god knows layers of probability manipulation that works on acausual type 1&4 [I think].
Goku has they keysword which just seals, power null, bfr her and she can't do anything about it.
He can also summon demigra and chronoa to power null, erase, bfr, DD or just candy beam her [demigra version] and chronoa can just erase her and her timeline, seal her to the point that her past actions never happened, and demigra just erases her across history.
She doesn't have any thought based or passive attacks, this is technically a stomp
 
I’m going for Goku FRA since the chance of Void Manipulation hitting him is unlikely due to SM only having one shot at it because of Passive Stamina Reduction set to 1 and Probability Manipulation reducing her chance even further. Goku at that point can literally do whatever he wants to Incap or Seal since he has the Keysword.

now this will be a stomp of Void is actually resisted for the reason I provided above
 
I thought xeno goku resisted th hakai?
Tho it doesn't matter since power null, sealing, bfr, multiple layers of EE from Demigra And chronoa.
Does she even resist their EE and demigra corruption?
 
Bernkastelll said:
Well, I found this argument in Goku favor somewhere in facebook, I hope it helps u guys here

So we just gonna forget that goku created a miniature solar system from literally nothing but moving his foot. 🤷🏻‍♂️ we gonna forget that. Sorry to say but sailor moon really couldn’t. She just gets naked at her fullest power.
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goku created a galaxy with being half naked, she couldn't even create a cooking pot smh
 
Orange said:
I thought xeno goku resisted th hakai?
Tho it doesn't matter since power null, sealing, bfr, multiple layers of EE from Demigra And chronoa.
Does she even resist their EE and demigra corruption?
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Wait wouldn’t surviving in Mechi’s Black Hole constitute as Void resistance
 
Orange said:
Well inside him everything was blag and timelines appeared as foggy so...I don't think so
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It is a Void that disembodying timeline, turning them into a froggy, chaotic state that not resemble a linear timeline. But well we don't have proof of the Void specifically targeting Time Patrol, so hardly a resistance feat to Void Manip
 
Vietthai96 said:
It is a Void that disembodying timeline, turning them into a froggy, chaotic state that not resemble a linear timeline. But well we don't have proof of the Void specifically targeting Time Patrol, so hardly a resistance feat to Void Manip
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Gotcha and what about when Towa kidnapped them in the link I sent above
 
Well it could be that they are stronger than timelines 👀 but yes you are correct.
Her regen states that she came back after she got erased and will regenerate as long as her star seed exists.
[It does sound more like mod godly with immortality type 8 or something tbh but eh]
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
On the current profile it uses information instead of conceptual erasure which is still High Godly Erasure. And the information erasure is part of her existence erasure manipulation. All her attacks do this.
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Ill admit and indulge you. Information Erasure does sound scary but it's how it's applied that we need to talk about...

If she erases information itself (using a magic beam of some kind) then Goku doesn't resist but he can Powernull with Keysword as the Keysword has can power null anything it comes in contact with also the Keysword can power null the opponent sealing their Abilities and if that happens then Sailor is Screwed

If she erases information itself be just thinking then that still doesn't work cause she needs focus to do that which she can't do under the effects of DD


And if what she does is EE and information being erased is a BY PRODUCT EFFECT then she is screwed beyond screwed because Goku resists above 2A level EE
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Again, this doesn't make any sense. It reduces the stamina from three bars to one bar. If you divide sailor moon's stamina into three bars, one bar, or one-third is still going to be infinite.
And even if they set it to 1? One what? Percent? Stamina isn’t measured to units. If it was 1% it would still be infinite.
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BARS ARE GAMEPLAY ASPECTS. WE USE A CHARACTERS TRADITIONAL STAMINA.

and it still doesn't change the fact that Goku can reduce the stamina of those with infinite Stamina. In other words Goku can reduce infinite Stamina to zero
Iamunanimousinthat said:
it protects her from passive hax.
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Power Null with Keysword and it loses its Abilities
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Her crystal appears with just a thought. She doesn’t need to raise her hands, she just started to use her powers.
Nothing says she needs to perform those specific movements to activate her powers. And in vs battling, calling out attack names is a free action.
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If her crystal appears with just a thought then she's screwed. DD stamina 1 her and then even if she can think rationally enough to summon her crystal she gets stunned afterwards and her crystal as a result will lose all of its effects
Iamunanimousinthat said:
he uses information erasure which still counts as high godly.
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High Godly Regen Negation NOT High Godly Erasure. And again if they way she erases information is by regular EE and information is erased as a chain effect then Goku resists


lor
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Moon erased Chaos who resisted the cauldrons high godly erasure. They don’t resist that level of erasure.
If the silver crystal is power nulled, it will simpley attack from a time or place where it wasn’t power nulled, by bypassing time or space.
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Again it's High Godly Regen Negation not High Godly Erasure

In the case of the Crystal...
Goku can just Seal of the dimension they are fighting inside so her crystal can't enter the field of battle...

They Keysword can seal of dimensions and in doing so nothing can't enter or exit it. Not even by means of Teleportation, portal creation or dimensional travel
Iamunanimousinthat said:
Anyways, I won’t be responding till later.
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Sure thing man 👍
 
Wait, if her EE is magic based then goku resists magic
Plus she has no answer to demigra corruption and madness manipulation type 2
 
Orange said:
Wait, if her EE is magic based then goku resists magic
Plus she has no answer to demigra corruption and madness manipulation type 2
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If her EE is a product of Magic then Goku resists

And yes I suppose Demigra can mind hax seeing as how it's been discussed that his mind hax madness and corruption bypasses resistance.
Plus it's 4D
 
Ss3micah said:
If her EE is a product of Magic then Goku resists

And yes I suppose Demigra can mind hax seeing as how it's been discussed that his mind hax madness and corruption bypasses resistance.
Plus it's 4D
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Well let's take a quick role on her profile
Demigra mind hax works by thought based or projectile?
 
So what stops our boi demigra from just mind hax her, transmutate her, bff her, DD her.
Or chronoa sealing, power nulling her
Or goku DD her, passive probability manipulation so none of her stuff touches him
 
BTW guys, goku's probability manipulation is 4-D right? It should work on usagi since her probability manipulation resistence is 3-D. Heck she just resisted a curse and fate manipulation, and got probability resistence as well from it. Guess what, resisting fate manipulation also gives you probability manipulation resistence.
 
His probability manipulation can work on people that have casualty type 1&4 I think so it will work
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
BTW guys, goku's probability manipulation is 4-D right? It should work on usagi since her probability manipulation resistence is 3-D. Heck she just resisted a curse and fate manipulation, and got probability resistence as well from it. Guess what, resisting fate manipulation also gives you probability manipulation resistence.
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Yes it is

And is she got Prob Manipulation Resistance for that then Gokus prob manipulation is gonna be a thorn in her side since it's 4D and works on Acausality type 4
 
If only probability manipulation can decrease her attacks from even effecting him, that would be busted 👁
 
This is tbh seems stomp ish, she can't do shit here, DD is too strong-
DD vs Reitsu pressure vs nen crush
 
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