Regarding non-canonical elements in SF and E. Honda's feat

[Lavcore]

the Red Stone of Aja has 7-A for erupting a volcano and that volcano had a much more impressive feat than oni's volcano feat since it sent a piece of rock so far up high that joseph should have most definitely died.

but you could make the argument that oni's volcano was probably bigger and oni did it by hand and not by piercing power.

 

[PuasLuisZX]

First, the volcano in that feat doesn't look neither big enough as well as the fact that more visually striking doesn't necessarily mean stronger in general.

 

[Lavcore]

but you could make the argument that oni's volcano was probably bigger and oni did it by hand and not by piercing power.

^

 

[Twellas]

This is more of a DMC case, where the God Tiers are Low 2-C and the Non-God-Tiers cap at 7-A. In DMC the difference between the god-tiers and the normal characters is so big that a single god tier can singlehandedly annihilate every single other non-god-tier combined. I don't know if there is any canonical proof of this, but I'm personally pretty sure Akuma could just straight up beat every other character at the same time, especially since he can beat SFF5 Ryu with ease, a version of Ryu who's superior to his version who one-shot Bison who, in return, can fodderize pretty much anyone in the verse. And Oni is EVEN STRONGER than that version of Akuma. So yeah, what i think is that Akuma is so much stronger than the rest of the cast that his feats being way above the others isn't that big of a deal, but that's just me

 

[Lavcore]

agree to disagree.

 

[Twellas]

Oh, Gill was announced for SF5 btw, we gotta keep an eye out for possible feats

 

[Lavcore]

he's coming in december though so we gotta wait.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Matt reffered to E.Honda when he said joke character, how it didnt click that to you, since thats what he saw last time

Canonically there is Gouken, Oro, Gen(till SF5) and Gill who are a match to Akuma

Bison foderrizing the verse isnt true at all and thats just head canon without proof or anything, plus thats Bison amped by the black moon, Ryu didnt beat that Bison, since they cut that off and Nash also absorbed some of Bison energy, all before Ryu came with the power of nothingness

The calc for Akuma island feat was wrong because the calcers there used pulverization, yet nothing in the feat implies that, which resulted in the results at hand there, plus whoever has updated the profiles on this wiki i bet didnt look at how there was arguments against it there too either and just went along to have the characters at that level

 

[Lavcore]

except matt said "a joke character doing a joke High 6-C feat" clearly he was referring to oni since e. honda had 6-C not High 6-C on one of the results.

i don't think anyone said bison would fodderize the verse.

two calc group members said the calc was fine and could be added if thats not enough justification for you then i don't know what is.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

E Honda is more fitting as a joke character then Oni, so he mixed them up, he wasnt reffering to Oni at all, thats very easy to tell really but whatever

Twellas above said it or you didnt pay attention to what he said?

I dont know what you talk about here, im reffering to the old calc that got Akuma at High 7-A before the recalc by Alex, that High 7-A one was due to the guys from Naruto Forums saying pulverization is fine to use, even though the feat doesnt show this and others from there argued against it, yet somehow it still got accepted and updated by whoever updated the profiles back then

 

[Lavcore]

E Honda is more fitting as a joke character then Oni, so he mixed them up, thats very easy to tell really but whatever
Twellas above said it or you didnt pay attention to what he said?

I dont know what you talk about here, im reffering to the old calc that got Akuma at High 7-A before the recalc by Alex, that High 7-A one was due to the guys from Naruto Forums saying pulverization is fine to use, even though the feat doesnt show this and others from there argued against it, yet somehow it still got accepted and updated by whoever updated the profiles back then

fine whatever.

not really since it's a massive wall of text but sure i agree then.

the way you worded it made it seem to me like you were talking about the recalc my bad.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I said pulverization and that it was wrong, clearly reffering to the off site calc you said above too, i dont see how you thought i was reffering to the recalc, especially since i mentioned stuff from the old one

 

[Lavcore]

plus whoever has updated the profiles on this wiki i bet didnt look at how there was arguments against it there too either and just went along to have the characters at that level

i thought you were referring to the argument that the offsite calcers used frag and still got in the MT, again my bad.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

>People couldn't see I meant E.Honda.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Only Street Fighter Profile that matters.

 

[Lavcore]

bro you are clearly downplaying Hong Kong ryu he should be AT LEAST 2-A.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

See now that he meant E Honda, again how come it never clicked to anyone what he meant, so easy to tell

Is that Ryu legit?As in is that official?

Maybe the feat for Oni isnt really Large Island, but could clearly be mountain level at least probably, the guy from deviantart had more calcs on Street Fighter and more options for results

 

[Lavcore]

maybe because the original comment was worded poorly?

it's a bootleg hong kong ryu.

offsite calcs have been extremely questionable as of now it started with an inaccurate chun li calc then the infamous akuma calc that was inflated most if not all of these coming from narutoforums so i would prefer it if we got actual calcers to calc the feat then using a very likely inflated calc.

in fact a lot of profiles use calcs from narutoforums as justification thinking about making a thread discussing this.

 

[Antvasima]

We don't have the time to properly verify or redo all of our narutoforums calculations before our upcoming forum move.

Anyway, it seems like the Honda feat was rejected for now.

Has anybody asked for calculations of the other feats? Sorry if I am being forgetful

 

[Lavcore]

i understand just thinking about a future thread since using narutoforums is questionable atm.

i did in the calc request thread.

anyways that's all the time i have left i gotta get back to playing pokemon black on my nintendo 3DS.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

 

[Genericstickman]

I did request for a feat Gill did in his 3rd strike ending, also where does Gill being stronger then Akuma come from?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

The feat where Gill replicates Moses parting seas was calculated by someone somewhere, i asked for a calc for something similar to it on the FC/OC Wiki long ago too, it wont get any upgrades, its around the same level as the calcs for Akuma

Mostly from dialogue with other characters like Oro and were he is considered powerful, thats why it says slightly stronger only then Akuma

 

[Lavcore]

but it says specifically SFV akuma not SFIII akuma so where does that come from?

 

[BoomerKuwanger1]

Speaking of non canon stuff. Here is 5-A Chun-Li.

https://youtu.be/HAMn7WIZs3g

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I see once again that whoever updated the profiles for these characters wrote stuff without thinking a little


SF3 takes place after SF5, so it should say he is above both overall, Gill didnt make any other appearance till his announcement now

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I agree with BlackDarkness.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

But anyway, Ryu feat with his energy used to the satellite to nuke a city needs a calc, since his tier is baseline, i remember Bison was gonna nuke the capital if not wrong, which could be probably Washington DC, a villain like Bison would attack something important as that to show he isnt playing around

The satellite laser beam also needs one, since athe cast speed for MHS is from there

 

[Lavcore]

well it had a calc once but it came from the same person who did the inaccurate e. honda calc so take that as you will.

should i update gill's profile? would "comparable to base Akuma" work?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Say he is above Bison and should be comparable to Akuma

 

[Lavcore]

alright.

 

[BoomerKuwanger1]

Akuma one shotted M.Bisom tho

 

[Antvasima]

Say he is above Bison and should be comparable to Akuma

That seems fine.

 

[Lavcore]

i also added some links to profiles that were missing.

 

[BoomerKuwanger1]

I guess someone can make thay power Rangers chun-li profile.

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks for helping out.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Akuma one shotted M.Bisom tho

In SFII, where Bison is at his weakest.

 

[Genericstickman]

Isn't Akuma usually portrayed as being superior to most characters?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Keyword, most characters, but not all characters, he is superior to everyone only as Oni

 

[SuperAPM]

That is correct, yes.