Regarding Mew and Arceus

[JustANormalPerson01]

So ... does this mean that Arceus will gain abilities like Wonder Guard and passive reflection of all state type pokemon movements on a 4D scale?

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

So how much hax does Arc get from this

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

From my eyes, and from how we were previously treating it before, a lot.

4-D Wonder Guard when? ovo

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Speaking of 4-D, could someone come to this quick mini thread I made plz?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

If I'm not wrong, among the most important would be: Manipulation of death and absorption of life (Yveltal), also manipulation of life (Xerneas), Wonder Guard (I think it qualifies as nullification of power, but I'm not sure), Reflection of declining statistics (Corviknight) and all state movements (Mega Diancie, Mega Absol among others), dynamax (I suppose it is obvious, but not very important either). Dark Matter has low godly Regenerationn over time, but it is the embodiment of negative emotions, so I don't know if it will count as pokémon that it was originally part of arceus. You might also get limited vector manipulation and stat amplification (pokemon go trainer, although this implies friendship, so I'm not sure). Also passive manipulation of nightmares (darkrai), immunity to movements based on sound (soundproofing), passive decrease of statistics when entering combat (Intimidate), etc.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Actually now that I think about it, is there any particular reason why Arceus and the CT dont get abilities granted by Dynamax?

Dynamaxing is literally given to pokemon via space-time distortions. Why would mon who are the concepts of space-time, and the mon whos one with the Multiverse itself, not be granted abilities given from smaller-localized space-time distortions?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

ah, arceus would also receive double stat boosts per move simple and his physical / same type moves would do double damage (huge power + Adaptability)

But there are also bad skills! Normalize would be one of them (converts all user movements to normal type). Although, since Arceus has control over types / tables, maybe it shouldn't matter

 

[Cropfist]

Speculation

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Perhaps these pokemon appear in expansion passes, if so, they would get them in a totally assured way.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Speculatio

If this is directed to me, I dont see how its speculation.

Unless we're going to say Eternatus can do something with space-time that the very concepts of it can't do...

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Perhaps these pokemon appear in expansion passes, if so, they would get them in a totally assured way.

They are. Dialga, Palkia and Giratina are confirmed to be coming in the DLC with the other legendaries.

Dunno about Arceus though.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Going back to the main thread topic, wouldn't Arceus become very difficult to deal with if given all abilities? I remember that there are abilities that nullify the side effects of pokémon, while others enhance them. There are also abilities that passively convert normal movements into other types, how would that be treated?

 

[Overlord775]

@Kukui

But Dialga and Palkia don't manipulate space-time, they manipulate space and time separatedly

 

[NeoZex6399]

Dialga and Palkia are officially getting DMax on the second DLC

 

[Overlord775]

Which means Eternous is 2-B since a fragment of his power can amp the Creation Trio ovo

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Speaking of 4-D, could someone come to this quick mini thread I made plz?

^

 

[NeoZex6399]

Maybe DMax is like the mega evolution, which has various origins, like the death ray of the ultimate weapon and the meteorite that fell on Sootopolis City.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Going back to the main thread topic, wouldn't Arceus become very difficult to deal with if given all abilities? I remember that there are abilities that nullify the side effects of pokémon, while others enhance them. There are also abilities that passively convert normal movements into other types, how would that be treated?

^

 

[Overlord775]

that's not the main focus of the thread, the main focus is the addition of abilities to the profiles

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

It has a certain relationship, since some passive abilities contradict each other

 

[NeoZex6399]

It's hard for me to see the Original Spirit with a skill like Slow Start.

 

[Udlmaster]

It's hard for me to see the Original Spirit with a skill like Slow Start.

I honestly doubt that's a real skill and is more so Regigegas being slow and cranky.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

If I'm not mistaken, abilities like the slaking would be overridden by its unlimited stamina (at least the wiki treats it as "resting after each hit," which unlimited stamina should override). The problem would enter abilities such as the following:

Attack typing:

Pixilate Ion Deluge Normalize Multitype Protea


Secondary effects:

Huge Power Serene Grace

Other:

Imposter (lol)

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Well was it even agreed for Arceus to get all the pokemon abilities? Moves yes, but abilities? It was mentioned for Mew and agreed to not be applicable outside of transform. So what about Arceus?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

It's hard for me to see the Original Spirit with a skill like Slow Start.

That ability would be nullified by Huge power and maybe by speed boost

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Well was it even agreed for Arceus to get all the pokemon abilities? Moves yes, but abilities? It was mentioned for Mew and agreed to not be applicable outside of transform. So what about Arceus?

Technically, if Pokemon are part of Arceus, why could they only use their moves and not their abilities?

 

[NeoZex6399]

I honestly doubt that's a real skill and is more so Regigegas being slow and cranky.

Poor thing

 

[Blahblah9755]

Arceus' thing is every Pokémon literally being a part of it, so it would be all of their capabilities, if accepted.

 

[Cropfist]

Well was it even agreed for Arceus to get all the pokemon abilities? Moves yes, but abilities? It was mentioned for Mew and agreed to not be applicable outside of transform. So what about Arceus?

It would be cherry picking to not include the negative abilities

 

[Overlord775]

most if not all of the negative abilities are because of either a personality or a biological weaknesses, which wouldn't apply to Arceus

 

[Cropfist]

How convenient. So are all the positive ones though

 

[Abstractions]

"Arceus is loafing around."

 

[Cropfist]

"Arceus has shell armor and suction cups"

 

[Udlmaster]

most if not all of the negative abilities are because of either a personality or a biological weaknesses, which wouldn't apply to Arceus

Or special circumstances, with Slow Start being Regigigas waking up after his 1000s of years slumber.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

honestly, the negative skills I see it as follows:

Truant is described (at least on the vsbattles slaking wiki) that the pokemon must rest after each attack. Arceus and his infinite stamina would solve it

Normality and abilities that change type to arceus would make no sense even applying them. Arceus has control and created the types of the pokémon (the tables), so I don't see that a mere ability should prevent him from using the movement in his original type

Regigigas ability would be a problem, but with huge power and speed boost it would be neutralized

Regarding the imposter ability, arceus as a non-corporeal spirit should not be harmed by the ability.

Now the countrary ability, which would only hex Arceus if he wanted to increase his own statistics (he has abilities that prevent him from lowering statistics by returning this to the sender)

The last ability that would have a certain problem would be Sheer Force, this ability could mean a problem and the only possible way to deny it would be Serene Grace. Although I don't think doubling the chance of side effects negates them entirely. Still, this ability doesn't affect status moves as toxic, so I don't see it causing much of a problem

 

[Overlord775]

@Crop

most aren't, like for exemple Wonder Guard or Magic Bounce

@Uld

i categorized it under biological weakeness TBH, as Regigans needs time to re-start his metabolism after having been asleep/stone for thousands of years

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

so what '''negative''' abilities would arceus gain?

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

How convenient. So are all the positive ones though

Dude you don't need to be so sarcastic

 

[Udlmaster]

i categorized it under biological weakeness TBH, as Regigans needs time to re-start his metabolism after having been asleep/stone for thousands of years

Fair, I didn't consider Regigigas' ability as Biological as I'm not sure if he's a Weird natural Machine or an anima/elemental like the other Regis.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

As far Slow Start goes, Arceus doesnt even need other abilities to cancel out Slow Starts hinderance. The movie by itself just shows this.

A weakened Arceus has canonically slept for far longer than Regigigas and he was immediately able to leave his realm and wreck shit in the Pokemon world upon waking up. Plus, even in his sleep Arceus has done actions. Like colliding Dialga and Palkia's dimensions and causing space-time distortions in the Multiverse just by twisting and turning in his sleep. Hell, Dialga by itself has shown to be able to use his time hax despite passing out after getting the snot beaten out of his Avatar by Arceus.

For many reasons, Slow Starts hinderance wouldnt apply to Arceus at all.