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So I'm basically doing this preempt any questioning, also having been gone for some time is a perfect excuse to get some clarification on this stuff. Arceus' avatar is 5D, not all of it's hax is. Let's look at Arceus current ability descriptions and figure out which are.
First up is it Creation. This should be easy, Arceus' avatar (the Original One) was made 5D alongside it's dimension, as the Original One who originally alone before making everything it made that realm.
This also scales to it's Dimensional Travel (which it can use of others, so BFR), but that's pretty specifically mentioned in it's P&A. So I don't think clarification is needed.
Existence Erasure, Volo was going to use it to erase the world so that could it could be remade. Does this scale to it's own 5D realm it created, not out the realm of possibility.
Here is some harder stuff. The Original One's Concept Manipulation states this "Emanated the concept of time, space, willpower, emotions and knowledge into existence.", not only were this originally part of it's being before it spread them through creation through the making of the creation trio, but its also said:
Here comes the fun stuff, the Plates. Described as "fragments of an all-encompassing diety (Arceus)", which is likely what is meant by:
They are closely tied to Arceus, and are used to call upon it and draw upon it's power. Beyond all that, the newest Plate, the Legend Plate, given by Arceus itself in it's realm is described as:
Now this wouldn't scale to all the Plates abilities, nor would it upscale the powers the Original One from other Pokémon and humans to the Plates max, but they should scale to:
Power Absorption and Power Bestowal (second one), these are the abilities it uses to create the Plates and utilise their power.
Power Nullification and Invulnerability, sorta, any 5D power that the Plates have imbued in them can be used to negate attacks of the same power.
Body Control too I guess, as the Plates being part of them makes them unbreakable and allows them to call them to it went it wants.
And it's resistance to Power Mimicry, Power Absorption and Power Nullification as (Only the rightful bearer of the plate draws from the power it holds, and the rightful bearer is the only one who can use it because the plates are fragments of Arceus)
Edit: Minor addition
Edit again: This one isn't 5D though, it involves the true form, but it also mainly affects the avatar key so I think it is relevant to the discussion.
The avatar Arceus is what the it's true form uses to interact with the rest of creation, as is noted.
Which he also have noted through the Intelligence section of Arceus not being separated by its key of avatar and true form.
Edit, third times the charm:
The Eternal Battle Reveries place in Arceus' 5D realm, it takes you there through your dreams.
While fighting there Arceus can place affects on yourself or the opponent.
It also has this effect that I can't find on its profile?
First up is it Creation. This should be easy, Arceus' avatar (the Original One) was made 5D alongside it's dimension, as the Original One who originally alone before making everything it made that realm.
This also scales to it's Dimensional Travel (which it can use of others, so BFR), but that's pretty specifically mentioned in it's P&A. So I don't think clarification is needed.
Existence Erasure, Volo was going to use it to erase the world so that could it could be remade. Does this scale to it's own 5D realm it created, not out the realm of possibility.
Here is some harder stuff. The Original One's Concept Manipulation states this "Emanated the concept of time, space, willpower, emotions and knowledge into existence.", not only were this originally part of it's being before it spread them through creation through the making of the creation trio, but its also said:
This states that before the concepts of space and time were released upon creation as Palkia and Dialga by the Original One they were part of the Original Spirit. Now, I'm not arguing that they should be 6D, nor that the Creation Trio should get Tier 1 Concept Manipulation. That's not what this CRT is for, and I personally can't say even I fully agree with such thoughts, but I do think this is enough to say that the Original One has the ability to manipulate concepts that exist somewhere around it's own level of existence."Within the newborn spirit, time and space were intertwined as one. People and Pokémon, too, were but the same presence. As I understand it, people and Pokémon shared the spirit and awareness.They should have understood and accepted each other then. Because they shared the same spirit, people and Pokémon intermingled. People took the place of Pokémon, and the opposite also held true. That interpretation could give us an idea about how our world came to be. A Pokémon is said to have shaped this world. Could that Pokémon be the physical form of the original spirit? Hmm... The spirit came to be, and from it, time and space were born... That seems to point to Legendary Dialga, the Pokémon of time, and Palkia, the Pokémon of space...And they lead back to Arceus, the Pokémon that made them arise."
Here comes the fun stuff, the Plates. Described as "fragments of an all-encompassing diety (Arceus)", which is likely what is meant by:
*The It being the Original One, not the universe."The Original One breathed alone before the universe came. When the universe was created, its shards became this Plate."
They are closely tied to Arceus, and are used to call upon it and draw upon it's power. Beyond all that, the newest Plate, the Legend Plate, given by Arceus itself in it's realm is described as:
So I personally think that they, and the powers associated with them to scale to the Original One's full abilities (5D)."A stone tablet imbued with the essence of all creation. When used on a certain Pokémon, it allows that Pokémon to gain the power of every type there is."
Now this wouldn't scale to all the Plates abilities, nor would it upscale the powers the Original One from other Pokémon and humans to the Plates max, but they should scale to:
Power Absorption and Power Bestowal (second one), these are the abilities it uses to create the Plates and utilise their power.
Power Nullification and Invulnerability, sorta, any 5D power that the Plates have imbued in them can be used to negate attacks of the same power.
Body Control too I guess, as the Plates being part of them makes them unbreakable and allows them to call them to it went it wants.
And it's resistance to Power Mimicry, Power Absorption and Power Nullification as (Only the rightful bearer of the plate draws from the power it holds, and the rightful bearer is the only one who can use it because the plates are fragments of Arceus)
Edit: Minor addition
It drives others mad because of it's power, which is 5D. However, it shouldn't drive other 5D characters mad because they would also possess 5D power.
Edit again: This one isn't 5D though, it involves the true form, but it also mainly affects the avatar key so I think it is relevant to the discussion.
The avatar Arceus is what the it's true form uses to interact with the rest of creation, as is noted.
However, originally we thought of them as true separate but related entities, but Legends: Arceus made it clearer that the ture form, actually uterlises it to directly interact with the rest of creation. Acting as the mind of the avatar that sees and walks the world through it.Immortality (Type 9; Is the physical manifestation of the Heart)
Which he also have noted through the Intelligence section of Arceus not being separated by its key of avatar and true form.
What I'm asking it how do we categorise this beyond the Immortality Type 9 and Intelligence? Do we attach true form Arceus' Higher-Dimensional Existence to the first key for its mind having that, or what?Intelligence: Omniscient (The Heart holds all creation as part of itself, existing purely as consciousness that holds the concept of knowledge, Uxie; who has dominion of knowledge in the multiverse, as an extension/aspect of it's avatar)
Edit, third times the charm:
The Eternal Battle Reveries place in Arceus' 5D realm, it takes you there through your dreams.
Dream Manipulation (Eternal Battle Reverie is accessed by going to sleep and meeting Arceus in a dream, with Pokémon being able to gain experience, evolve and players wake up with items they won in the dream)
While fighting there Arceus can place affects on yourself or the opponent.
Healing (Can heal HP and PP to max under player request in Eternal Battle Reverie.)
Resistance Negation (Can inflict status condition on Pokémon regardless of whether its Type makes them Immune to them in Eternal Battle Reverie.)
It also has this effect that I can't find on its profile?
I think this would be Life Manipulation?Sacrifice HP for double points: Sacrifice 20% of a Pokémon's max HP to double the points earned in the upcoming battle. Fainted Pokémon cannot be selected.
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