Silver water is arceus' weakness so it probably aint PIS. Also is everyone just gonna ignore Mew? He really needs the upgrade
Arceus was erased by Yveltal and sent to the void, and pokemon can just grow stronger and surpass their creator. And dark matter and yveltal are just powerful enough to bypass the power null
This feat, the feat in question is the feat.
Considering that petrification in-verse has been shown to be included within Pokemon abilities, this shouldn't be an exception.
I'll try finding scans to see what actually happened. Does anyone have the text dump for SMD
it weakening him to the point of him getting beat down by regular mons is
It's not a weakness. It was used against Arceus in combination with electric mons attacking him without the plates that negate the latter moves.
"Can just grow stronger" is a copout with next to nothing to actually support that. If the literal creators of everything in the verse had no chance of surpassing even a weakened Arceus, what makes you think this small tidbit of what Dark Matter did somehow means he and Yveltal can?
Which isn't AP.
Power null takes care of it.
No, what the issue is here is taking one extremely self contained instance of DM doing something to Arceus and magically taking that to be somehow legit compared to all of the PIS and inconsistent instances that have been struck against Arceus and have been denied as well for being nonsensical. And this shouldn't be any different.
It just means certain pokemon have the ability to grow stronger than the creation trio, as shown in the manga, melmetal, kyurem
By the way, to respond to this, Arceus's movie and the Hoopa movie has blatantly established that the Plates's elemental abilities are not strictly limited to types (which im pretty sure is already treated as actual natural elements?)
Very bad premise considering Kyurem's only "evidence" is a statement with 0 feats remotely close to their level.
A statement is enough, and theres another one for zekrom and reshiram being the strongest dragon types
Btw, it not affecting OS.
Uh, without actual feats cementing that, no it definitely isn't.
Your spirit is sent to the World of Nothingness, which is Nothingness.
Why is it more logical?
Why would erasing a soul effect arceus who doesn’t even have one
Hoopa doesn't embody anything and has better mindhax than the lake trio who embody their respective emotions. And dark matter can embody negativity but still be stronger than emotions itself. Moltres embodies fire and theres fire legendaries stronger than it. Solgaleo is the sun incarnate but stronger than the sun. Thats not a valid counter argument. But you should respond in the other arceus thread, not here, because we supposed to talk about Mew here
Hoopa is his own thing, probably related to hyperspace or some shit
Non consequitor
Neither of those are true, as neither are called the embodiment of either fire or the sun, nor even hinted to be
it very much seems to me people are talking about Arceus here
The pokedex litterally says it does, so it should be the case
Dark matter is also his own thing, he's just strong af. You can literally be the embodiment of negativity but be stronger than negativity itself as well. Moltres was referred to as the embodiment of fire by peony
false equalacy, Hoopa gets his powers from who damn knows meanwhile Dark Matters gets his from negative emotions
I actually can’t believe I forgot about this. Especially since the concept of emotions would be apart of Arceus as well.
