Regarding Mew and Arceus

[NeoZex6399]

What do you think about adding the original spirit key to Arceus?

 

[Everything12]

I believe we are waiting for the low 1-C CRT before we do that, though technically the Profile is actually a Original Spirit one and we would be adding a Key for the Arceus Avatar.

And about the Plates, they are created when the Original Spirit took the power of some unknown giants to make them, and the one who lost them is the very physical and not part of everything Arceus Avatar, not the Original Spirit which is part of everything.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Bump?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I think Cal makes sense

 

[NeoZex6399]

Bump

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Whats left to do here?

 

[AkiraDegawa]

Is it possible that Arceus isn't pokemon?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Well, arceus y just the avatar of this character

Jokes off, technically yes, arceus is a pokemon

 

[Everything12]

In the myth that talks about the Original Spirit Arceus is described as "a Pokémon that is the physical form of the Original Spirit" so Arceus is indead a Pokémon.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Bump

 

[Jinsye]

Iirc we don't assume that a 4-D being's powers are all 4-D, god or otherwise.

We do

It makes no sense for a 4-D god's abilities to somehow be unable to only affect people infinitely below them. We don't assume 3-D people's abilities are only able to affect 2-D things.

 

[Udlmaster]

Iirc we don't assume that a 4-D being's powers are all 4-D, god or otherwise.

We do
It makes no sense for a 4-D god's abilities to somehow be unable to only affect people infinitely below them. We don't assume 3-D people's abilities are only able to affect 2-D things.

Huh, what do you mean, I can only harm -0 Dimensional beings.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Bump

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Bump

 

[NeoZex6399]

Bump

 

[LordTracer]

This has already been applied for Mew, right?

 

[Blahblah9755]

Sort of, it has "every other pokemon move" listed on its page, but doesn't list what abilities that would grant.

 

[LordTracer]

Huh. I guess that's because it would take really long to go through every single move and list all the abilities they grant?

 

[GyroNutz]

We do

It makes no sense for a 4-D god's abilities to somehow be unable to only affect people infinitely below them. We don't assume 3-D people's abilities are only able to affect 2-D things.

That equivalency doesn't work when 3-D is the default dimensionality, and especially when said god only gets the ability because a 3-D aspect of it has the ability.

 

[Jinsye]

Yeah but that's not explicit evidence that their ability is somehow infinitely weaker than just them punching. It'd only make sense for them to be on the same dimensional level because it's coming from the same source.

 

[GyroNutz]

You're saying "just them punching" as if potent Multiversal AP is somehow meant to be less impressive than a regular 7-A Pokemon's ability. Said infinitely+ weaker Pokemon are the only things that showcase these abilities, and Arceus gets the same abilities as these Pokemon because they are a part of him.

 

[Overlord775]

Said moves are a byproduct of his plates, direct parts of Arceus's being and to add further have the powers of giants that existed before time and space and fought against Arceus So pokemon moves are definitelly 4-D when used by Arceus

 

[GyroNutz]

I'm fine with the plates argument, but the plates don't provide the abilities of every Pokemon, just the moves.

 

[Overlord775]

Well, it would also include unnamed psychic powers like M-Alakazam's precognition

 

[GyroNutz]

Would it? Those aren't specific to a certain type.

 

[NeoZex6399]

giants that existed before time and space and fought against Arceus

huh...

 

[Overlord775]

@Gyro

They are clearly Psychic type stuff

@Neo

Plates lore

 

[Overlord775]

Though the plates not being given a progression order makes interpretation hard

 

[GyroNutz]

Imo abilities and pokedex entries shouldn't be given types. That'd just be based on assumptions.

 

[Overlord775]

"It sends out psychic power from the red organ on its forehead to foresee its opponents' every move.

"Having traded away its muscles, Alakazam's true power has been unleashed. With its psychic powers, it can foresee all things."

They really could't make it more clear that his precognition is based around his Psychic type powers

 

[LordTracer]

Bump?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Then... the 4D things that arceus would have are: All the pokemon movements (by plates) and maybe other things like Darkrai or hoopa's abilities (by OP's reasoning)?

 

[NeoZex6399]

bump

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Buuump

Maybe if the abilities of all pokemon are just 3D, Arceus could have them, clarifying in a "Note 5" that they only affect a 3D scale

 

[Lou_change]

Shouldn't at least some of the Logic used with mew work with mewtwo?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

No, it shouldnt and we've been over that before. Mewtwo's DNA is altered from the gene splicing experiements, he doesnt get all moves like Mew can.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Buuump
Maybe if the abilities of all pokemon are just 3D, Arceus could have them, clarifying in a "Note 5" that they only affect a 3D scale

Again, that literally makes no sense since these ablities were originally from a 4-D being passed down to 3-D ones.

If they originally come from a 4-D being, then they were originally 4-D. Plus, like I said before, even the CT have done 4-D stuff with pokemon moves that weren't their signature ones.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

If it is accepted that all pokemon abilities are 4D for the original spirit, that would imply a massive increase in hax for arceus.

I see that it makes sense that Arceus abilities are 4D, but I have seen that some think otherwise, that's why my comment

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

For once I'm with Kukui here, for exactly his reasons.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

For once I'm with Kukui here, for exactly his reasons.

Whaddya mean for once?