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READ THE OP. The Main Revisions: 2 (This is a Naruto thread)
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They seem unaligned right?
Drawing a line connecting either of the two towels on the first picture is impossible, so no, they are neither aligned nor unaligned there. This doesn't offer any perspective or evidence in Madara/Naruto's case.
Drawing a line connecting either of the two towels on the first picture is impossible, so no, they are neither aligned nor unaligned there. This doesn't offer any perspective or evidence in Madara/Naruto's case.
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i am not expert enough to argue with u so i will let other to handle it lol
but i have a question about bold
ninjutsu used by those who gained the six paths power, they emit a beam of light to bisect the enemy. Like a sharp and pointed fang,it cuts all things with the speed of light, making it impossible for the enemy to block even one swing.
bold not working for some reason lol my question about this last part from db
it cuts all things with the speed of light, making it impossible for the enemy to block even one swing.
does this put madara's head swing speed = lf or nah
but i have a question about bold
ninjutsu used by those who gained the six paths power, they emit a beam of light to bisect the enemy. Like a sharp and pointed fang,it cuts all things with the speed of light, making it impossible for the enemy to block even one swing.
bold not working for some reason lol my question about this last part from db
it cuts all things with the speed of light, making it impossible for the enemy to block even one swing.
does this put madara's head swing speed = lf or nah
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No, you can't see anything. This is a two-dimensional, faraway shot that can't be used to argue literally anything on the matter, nor determine whether they are eye-to-eye or if Madara's head is tilted. This is the same thing as me taking a picture from two airplanes passing each other and concluding that they're facing straight on a collision course with each other, when in fact they're several miles away from each other and it's just the fact they're so far away and large that makes it appear they're intersecting.Omimi said:
This is the problem. Y'all using completely inconclusive scans like this one to try and "disprove" more conclusive evidence on the matter.
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This doesn't offer any perspective or evidence in Madara/Naruto's case.
I would argue that is does offer perspective because the positions of the two towels are representative of Madara's position in relation to Naruto's. The "Naruto" towel is at a slightly higher vantage point than the "Madara" towel, similarly, Naruto was at a higher vantage point when facing Madara in that scan. If they were directly facing each other in that moment, then I've shows that it's possible to obtain that same angle that makes it appear as if Madara was slightly facing Naruto's right side.
Drawing a line connecting either of the two towels on the first picture is impossible, so no, they are neither aligned nor unaligned there.
If this is the case, then you likewise can't draw a line connecting Naruto and Madara meaning that they are neither aligned nor unaligned there as well. Thankfully, the panel afterward shows us that they were facing each other directly.
I would argue that is does offer perspective because the positions of the two towels are representative of Madara's position in relation to Naruto's. The "Naruto" towel is at a slightly higher vantage point than the "Madara" towel, similarly, Naruto was at a higher vantage point when facing Madara in that scan. If they were directly facing each other in that moment, then I've shows that it's possible to obtain that same angle that makes it appear as if Madara was slightly facing Naruto's right side.
Drawing a line connecting either of the two towels on the first picture is impossible, so no, they are neither aligned nor unaligned there.
If this is the case, then you likewise can't draw a line connecting Naruto and Madara meaning that they are neither aligned nor unaligned there as well. Thankfully, the panel afterward shows us that they were facing each other directly.
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Except for the fact that Kishi literally drew a side of, as in, half, of Madara's face. Implying that he's facing straight. That's clearly the intent here.
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> I would argue that is does offer perspective because the positions of the two towels are representative of Madara's position in relation to Naruto's. The "Naruto" towel is at a slightly higher vantage point than the "Madara" towel, similarly, Naruto was at a higher vantage point when facing Madara in that scan.
No, it isn't. The perspective of the image isn't even the same between the two shots you're trying to compare, as anyone can see for themselves.
> If this is the case, then you likewise can't draw a line connecting Naruto and Madara meaning that they are neither aligned nor unaligned there as well.
False, as I did just that.
> Thankfully, the panel afterward shows us that they were facing each other directly.
It doesn't show any such thing. It is a faraway perspective that has absolutely no reference frame and can't be used to either prove nor disprove anything.
No, it isn't. The perspective of the image isn't even the same between the two shots you're trying to compare, as anyone can see for themselves.
> If this is the case, then you likewise can't draw a line connecting Naruto and Madara meaning that they are neither aligned nor unaligned there as well.
False, as I did just that.
> Thankfully, the panel afterward shows us that they were facing each other directly.
It doesn't show any such thing. It is a faraway perspective that has absolutely no reference frame and can't be used to either prove nor disprove anything.
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First of all, author intent is irrelevant, but even if it weren't I'd bet all my horses that Kishi intended Naruto not to be dodging it, straight up.JohnHendrix212 said:
Second, if Madara were facing straight towards Naruto then they would be aligned.
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The speed of the beam itself is LS. The speed it is swung would be up to Madara's own neck speed which has no confirmation to be LS, so no.
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> I suppose this works better then.
No, you missed the point.
The image of the towels you tried to use to compare, the first one - the perspective is nowhere near the same as Naruto and Madara's perspectives on the panel, and it can't be scaled to get a conclusion, while Naruto and Madara can be accurately scaled on the panel.
No, you missed the point.
The image of the towels you tried to use to compare, the first one - the perspective is nowhere near the same as Naruto and Madara's perspectives on the panel, and it can't be scaled to get a conclusion, while Naruto and Madara can be accurately scaled on the panel.
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No, because you can quite clearly scale and see that they aren't aligned (which is just conveniently supported by the fact the previous panel clearly shows Madara's head being tilted). Even putting Madara's mouth on his ear, they aren't aligned.
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Uhhh, I dont see how the next panel shows Madara's head tilted to the side, that's the angle of the shot (See Madara's collar). And mostly to emphasize his Rinnegan activating.
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If it was to emphasize his Rinnegan activating, why wouldn't they draw his face straight like they do literally every other time a dojutsu is activated on the series? Or is this the sole exception that just so happens to prevent Naruto from gaining a feat?
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Kep insists that Naruto is not perpendicular to Madara, it means a possible headswing ...
But completely ignores the fact that Madara had time to readjust her aim and hit him in the face, as it did in Anime ... Naruto having time to think about Madara using Limbo is okay but Madara aiming correctly at Naruto as it did in Anime , is ignored, because panels before he was not straight to Naruto .... I do not know if it's comical!...
But completely ignores the fact that Madara had time to readjust her aim and hit him in the face, as it did in Anime ... Naruto having time to think about Madara using Limbo is okay but Madara aiming correctly at Naruto as it did in Anime , is ignored, because panels before he was not straight to Naruto .... I do not know if it's comical!...
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Hilariously, Omimi's scan directly above definitively proves the beam was not dodged in the manner described due to the existance of the headband's being hewn.
Further, it's amazing how nobody dared to even respond to a major point that proves Madara didn't fire the beam offensively, here I'll quote myself en masse:
It's not a poor argument when it's what occurred on-panel. The idea that the beam was an attack and dodged is not present in the manga whatsoever, it's moreso akin to headcanon than anything feasible.
Further, the very idea of the headwing is ludicrous: you have to presume Madara is a genius, why then would he attempt to physically catch up to someone with FTL reactions and even utilize a lightspeed attack in the first place whilst in melee range with his Limbo clone already there at the ready?
Essentially, to claim it occurred the way some people want to believe it did, you have to accept that Madara is legitimately mentally deficient and wanted to utilize an attack much, much slower than he himself is whilst in melee range, and further, that for some reason he led into this attack with.....lightning, of all things, to get it all started even.
This would be akin to Fuhrer King Bradley holding a Luger in his belt, a sword in a hand, being 4 feet from his opponent and deciding to fire the Luger....when he can legitimately move faster than the bullet leaving the chamber. It makes no narrative sense, it makes no in-character sense, and it makes no meta-sense.
It makes zero sense for the argument 'he fired the beam and Naruto dodged' to hold water in any world wherein rationale is accepted.
Further, it's amazing how nobody dared to even respond to a major point that proves Madara didn't fire the beam offensively, here I'll quote myself en masse:
It's not a poor argument when it's what occurred on-panel. The idea that the beam was an attack and dodged is not present in the manga whatsoever, it's moreso akin to headcanon than anything feasible.
Further, the very idea of the headwing is ludicrous: you have to presume Madara is a genius, why then would he attempt to physically catch up to someone with FTL reactions and even utilize a lightspeed attack in the first place whilst in melee range with his Limbo clone already there at the ready?
Essentially, to claim it occurred the way some people want to believe it did, you have to accept that Madara is legitimately mentally deficient and wanted to utilize an attack much, much slower than he himself is whilst in melee range, and further, that for some reason he led into this attack with.....lightning, of all things, to get it all started even.
This would be akin to Fuhrer King Bradley holding a Luger in his belt, a sword in a hand, being 4 feet from his opponent and deciding to fire the Luger....when he can legitimately move faster than the bullet leaving the chamber. It makes no narrative sense, it makes no in-character sense, and it makes no meta-sense.
It makes zero sense for the argument 'he fired the beam and Naruto dodged' to hold water in any world wherein rationale is accepted.
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Besides Naruto not being center aligned on Madara, wouldn't Madara having one eye on the side that Naruto is furthest from further skew his field of vision?
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Is the green line supposed to be Naruto's shoulder?
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green line = LF path
red line= not sure
kep draw both green and red lone
gold line= madara's right solder
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People still refuse to view the panel in a perspective.
The headbands isn't on the left, it's floating behind Naruto's head. And their at least 7 inches tall before they are cut.
The staff is already tilted to the right, whereas Naruto held the staff straight in the previous panel. [line shows the oiginal position, Red line shows current positio].
The headbands isn't on the left, it's floating behind Naruto's head. And their at least 7 inches tall before they are cut.
The staff is already tilted to the right, whereas Naruto held the staff straight in the previous panel. [line shows the oiginal position, Red line shows current positio].
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Sounds pretty damn smart at least.PaChi2 said:
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The Light Speed thing is already accepted, I don't necessarily agree with it myself but it's been accepted so if you have an issue with it make a CRT.
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Well for one Kep seems pretty against it and he is a calcer. I trust his judgement on naruto more then like, a fourth of the thread. But honestly, I dont care too much to make a hassle. More evidence is needed, but I dont care enough about naruto to make a crt for this.Rin The Dragon Empress said:
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Kep only disagree with old translation which was miss-translation
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- it cuts all things with the speed of light, making it impossible for the enemy to evade even one swing
- it says
- its impossible for the enemy to evade but naruto evade it
- Kep disagree with bold cuz it contradict itself
- thats why it was accepted
- we had a thread for this did u missed that?
- it cuts all things with the speed of light, making it impossible for the enemy to block even one swing
- now it does not contradict itself cuz no one block it
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