READ THE OP. The Main Revisions: 2 (This is a Naruto thread)

[InfiniteSped]

Just make an anime profile . . .

 

[PaChi2]

Threads like this are the reason why I stopped taking the site half serously.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

Occam's razor and context heavily points towards Naruto dodging the beam then Madara swinging to try and hit him once more so i personally agree with this.
Every counter can be explained within the idea that Naruto dodged the beam then Madara swung.

No it doesn't, at all.

If Naruto ducked beneath the beam first, then why did Madara swing his head to the right instead of down where Naruto is, this doesn't make sense and a weak counter.

The attack was a continuous string. The beam goes, and the swing follows almost instantly. It's not a two-part attack.

Madara fires the beam

Naruto tilts his head to the right to dodge

Madara realized Naruto had dodged it, so he swung the beam in an arc (which is actually sloping downwards, so simply saying he swung his head to the right is flawed).

Naruto ducks to avoid the slice

All of this was happening at LS speeds supposedly, so it was probably an impulsive attack.

 

[M11UTD]

The attack was a continuous string. The beam goes, and the swing follows almost instantly. It's not a two-part attack.

Madara fires the beam

Naruto tilts his head to the right to dodge

Madara realized Naruto had dodged it, so he swung the beam in an arc (which is actually sloping downwards, so simply saying he swung his head to the right is flawed).

Naruto ducks to avoid the slice

All of this was happening at LS speeds supposedly, so it was probably an impulsive attack.

You're just talking from your imagination now, it was just one panel and none of that happened.

 

[Zensum]

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No it's not just PoV, you could ignore all the movement lines and still see Madara's head titled to his left because Naruto is swinging his rod down predominantly to the right to hit something to the right of him. If Naruto was actually directly in front of Madara like you say he would just have both arms extended uniformly above his head to hit his target in the middle which isnt the case.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

The attack was a continuous string. The beam goes, and the swing follows almost instantly. It's not a two-part attack.

Madara fires the beam

Naruto tilts his head to the right to dodge

Madara realized Naruto had dodged it, so he swung the beam in an arc (which is actually sloping downwards, so simply saying he swung his head to the right is flawed).

Naruto ducks to avoid the slice

All of this was happening at LS speeds supposedly, so it was probably an impulsive attack.

You're just talking from your imagination now, it was just one panel and none of that happened.

I'm talking hypothetically what that panel was supposed to represent. It's not really that hard to come to that conclusion.

 

[MostPowerfull]

As Tata said, Occam's Razor simply ignores ridiculous fancies and inability to prove what they are claiming, while ignoring context, logic, and common sense (and Anime, who Wikia states has a "canon").

Again, I remain neutral, although I strongly disagree with Madara headswing...

 

[Omimi]

ninjutsu used by those who gained
the six paths power, they emit a beam
of light to bisect the enemy. Like a sharp
and pointed fang, it cuts all things with
the speed of light, making it impossible
for the enemy to evade even one swing.

bold

we are forgeting somthing that db also put madara head swing speed = lf

so even if we want to disagree with ls naruto

we probably cant disagree with ls madara

 

[Damage3245]

@Omimi; it also states that it is impossible for the enemy to evade even one swing which is demonstrably untrue.

 

[Paul_Frank]

No.

The beam is lightspeed as agreed on the thread. The headswing is not ftl

 

[M3X_2.0]

No Damage, it wasnt. It was translation error

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I'm confused are you saying he swung his head at light speed?

 

[Omimi]

no its true


only translation of evade was wrong cuz its block not evede

we had a thread for this did u missed that?

so its look like this bold

it cuts all things with
the speed of light, making it impossible
for the enemy to block even one swing


i just copy-past from here so i forgot to fix/add this part

 

[PaChi2]

>Some artist: *makes ambiguous lines*

>the entire wiki:

Can we add this to the Naruto page?

 

[Omimi]

I'm confused are you saying he swung his head at light speed?

db put it that way no?

it cuts all things with
the speed of light, making it impossible
for the enemy to block even one swing

 

[Ronnijuro]

Don't know why in the first place that jutsu from Madara is a legit LS.

-There is no feat with a distance and time to give us LS for that jutsu.

-The speed on verse is nowhere near that lvl.

-In the databook there are things like Haku LS, Kirin LS (hundreds of times of speed sound on manga), etc.

-The most faster thing in Naruto was and will be Gai with the last technique, he even distorted space, Kishimoto even draw that to show you what insane speed Gai achieve, That >>>> any other speed feat.

There is no proof at all for that LS in the first place, a statement without any evidence to support it.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Pachi, I can add it to the post

 

[M3X_2.0]

Ronnijuro, the jutsu still LS. Don't talk about this here

 

[Omimi]

@Ronnijuro u are too late for this

we had this accepted on last thread

and this is not for that

if u have problem then make a crt for this

but pls stop bring it here

 

[The_Causality]

Can we add this to the Naruto page?

Honestly, i want to add this just for fun even if i'm reported owo

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

No it doesn't, at all.


If Naruto ducked beneath the beam first, then why did Madara swing his head to the right instead of down where Naruto is, this doesn't make sense and a weak counter.

Yeah this is true, Occam's Razor dictates that the interpretation with the least assumptions would be more reasonable.

Assuming Naruto dodged the beam why did Madara swing to the right instead of down where Naruto was? There's no answer to that.

This is literally asinine, not a possibility and Occam's Razor wouldn't side with Naruto dodging the beam.

He simply dodges the headswing and the fact that Naruto's headband sashes both get cut means Naruto dodged the headswing.

 

[Dziga]

Why do I always get late to the juicy ones?

 

[JohnHendrix212]

No it doesn't, at all.

If Naruto ducked beneath the beam first, then why did Madara swing his head to the right instead of down where Naruto is, this doesn't make sense and a weak counter.

Yeah this is true, Occam's Razor dictates that the interpretation with the least assumptions would be more reasonable.
Assuming Naruto dodged the beam why did Madara swing to the right instead of down where Naruto was? There's no answer to that.

This is literally asinine, not a possibility and Occam's Razor wouldn't side with Naruto dodging the beam.

He simply dodges the headswing and the fact that Naruto's headband sashes both get cut means Naruto dodged the headswing.

Naruto dodged the swing, yes. But only after Naruto had dodged the beam itself. As Naruto ducked his head to the right, the headband strips were in perfect position to get cut by the beam.

Keep in mind that the strips were behind Naurto's head. Perspective plays an important role here.

The position of the rod itself was already tilted way over to the right due to Naruto's sudden movement. Naruto held the rod completely straight in the previous panel. Which makes Naruto dodging the beam and getting his headband strips getting cut in the process completely possible.

Also, new members can't upload pictures?

 

[Omimi]

If Naruto ducked beneath the beam first, then why did Madara swing his head to the right instead of down where Naruto is, this doesn't make sense and a weak counter.


Assuming Naruto dodged the beam why did Madara swing to the right instead of down where Naruto was? There's no answer to that.

anime gave us the ans so why both of u acting like there is no answer?

if u didnt watch it then watch it again (playback speed at 0.25)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2l3CT_Y6a0

LF literally was following naruto

and he didnt ducked beneath

it was anticlockwise

 

[AstralKing7]

Why are people acting like that one panel shows us what happened. There are multiple things that can be assumed in that panel, which is why it shouldn't be used. The anime is only used for case by case moments and this is one of them and shows us what happened.

The manga shows the scene from a perspective from behind Naruto. With a still panel with the attack already finished ofc anything can be assumed to have happened. That's why the anime should be used in these moments. It's simpler then just trying to force your views over a subjective scene

 

[Omimi]

some of us love to use our own over actual/2nd source

thats why we are having this long discussion

 

[Kepekley23]

It's incredible how we once again have the exact same arguments being used to push for this scene. Nothing new that can be debated, just the same scans as before. No new previously undiscovered stuff worth of debating.

The anime is clearly wrong. The whole context behind the scene shows that it was clearly not a head-on dodge, and that Madara swung it. Motion lines indicating the original shot, the fact that Madara's head is shown blatantly out of alignment with Naruto's face in two panels, and the headband being sliced showing how it wasn't a head-on dodge at all, and the position of the staff indicating the path of the swing.

Yet here we are, one more time, using tertiary canon (which matters less than the guidebooks and novels) to try and go against the the actual manga's version of events.

 

[InfiniteSped]

Like, seriously, make an anime profile. You can even get the filler feats.

 

[Kepekley23]

Also there is literally absolutely no way to reconcile a dodge with the headbands being sliced. If Madara had shot it head-on and Naruto had ducked to the right it would have missed.

 

[Jvando]

It's incredible how we once again have the exact same arguments being used to push for this scene. Nothing new that can be debated, just the same scans as before. No new previously undiscovered stuff worth of debating.

The anime is clearly wrong. The whole context behind the scene shows that it was clearly not a head-on dodge, and that Madara swung it. Motion lines indicating the original shot, the fact that Madara's head is shown blatantly out of alignment with Naruto's face in two panels, and the headband being sliced showing how it wasn't a head-on dodge at all, and the position of the staff indicating the path of the swing.

Yet here we are, one more time, using tertiary canon (which matters less than the guidebooks and novels) to try and go against the the actual manga's version of events.

We can argue the motion lines, however, Madara's head being shown to be out of alignment in the previous panel can simply be attributed to it being a different camera angle and that can be left up to interpretation. Also, as someone explained

"Keep in mind that the strips were behind Naurto's head. Perspective plays an important role here.

The position of the rod itself was already tilted way over to the right due to Naruto's sudden movement. Naruto held the rod completely straight in the previous panel. Which makes Naruto dodging the beam and getting his headband strips getting cut in the process completely possible."

Also, how does Naruto dodging the beam go against the guidebooks? Because it really doesn't and neither does it go against the anime. The guidebook's translation of "Impossible to dodge" can also be translated to "Impossible to block" which actually makes more sense contextually anyway.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

The only thing that even remotely suggest of this scene being entirely a swing is the sliced headband strips. And even then, the people who constantly use this argument ignore the fact that this was to be viewed in a perspective.

The rod and Naruto's head has a distance between them, and the straps are behind Naruto's head, not to the left, as people seem to suggest it is.

And as I've already pointed out, the rod itself was already tilted way towards the right in that panel by Naruto's sudden movement. The rod was originally held straight, which makes it more or less asymmetrical to the headband strips as it got cut.

 

[Omimi]

Also there is literally absolutely no way to reconcile a dodge with the headbands being sliced. If Madara had shot it head-on and Naruto had ducked to the right it would have missed.

and he didnt ducked beneath

it was anticlockwise

 

[Kepekley23]

> We can argue the motion lines, however, Madara's head being shown to be out of alignment in the previous panel can simply be attributed to it being a different camera angle and that can be left up to interpretation. Also, as someone explained

What camera angle...?

 

[Omimi]

It's incredible how we once again have the exact same arguments being used to push for this scene. Nothing new that can be debated, just the same scans as before. No new previously undiscovered stuff worth of debating.
The anime is clearly wrong. The whole context behind the scene shows that it was clearly not a head-on dodge, and that Madara swung it. Motion lines indicating the original shot, the fact that Madara's head is shown blatantly out of alignment with Naruto's face in two panels, and the headband being sliced showing how it wasn't a head-on dodge at all, and the position of the staff indicating the path of the swing.

Yet here we are, one more time, using tertiary canon (which matters less than the guidebooks and novels) to try and go against the the actual manga's version of events.

then u have to prove that madara move his head to the left first(which i am sure is required more assumption) otherwise it will hit naruto

and feat was shown in 2 angle in anime one from front of naruto and other-one from is behind tsb cut by lf was shown from front of naruto unlike manga

 

[Kepekley23]

I have to prove what is plainly shown?

Even being as generous as possible, purposedfully miscaling the lines and putting Madara's mouth below his right eye still has Madara's head completely unaligned with Naruto's face.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

I disagree with the notion that Naruto dodged the beam after giving this thread a long read.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

> We can argue the motion lines, however, Madara's head being shown to be out of alignment in the previous panel can simply be attributed to it being a different camera angle and that can be left up to interpretation. Also, as someone explained
What camera angle...?

So, are you suggesting Naruto was going to hit Madara's shoulder or something, instead of going for his head?

Look at the position of Madara's horns in that very panel, he's facing straight towards Naruto. This is very clearly a case of POV.

 

[Omimi]

we cant even see his mouth so that's wrong

we can only see his 30% of his head which is impossible tell where he was facing in that scene

in this panel it can be seen clearly that madara was looking at naruto straight eye to eye

 

[Kepekley23]

Even in the very Light Fang panel it's quite visible that the staff is closer to the shoulder area, and that's after the dodge, so...yes, it quite clearly seemed he was going to hit the shoulder, as that's what the very panel tells us.

> Look at the position of Madara's horns in that very panel, he's facing straight towards Naruto

Scaling both horns...just makes it worse, as it shows he was quite clearly not facing Naruto straight.

 

[Jvando]

> We can argue the motion lines, however, Madara's head being shown to be out of alignment in the previous panel can simply be attributed to it being a different camera angle and that can be left up to interpretation. Also, as someone explained

What camera angle...?

They seem unaligned right?


However, the paper towels are actually facing each other directly. I'm not saying that you are wrong @Kep, but I am saying that you can just as easily infer that the artist was simply drawing them at a specific angle to make it appear as if Madara's head was shifted to his left.