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Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 3 is Real

Got a major test out the way, and have an upcoming holiday, will put some more work into the sandboxes and stuff. This definitely will take a while, cause I am simultaneously going through everything, organizing stuff into different CRT's (speed, abilities, ap, others) and making new profiles, of course nothing is finalized, since before I actually post things, I will re-look at stuff, but yea, barely scratched the surface so far.

As originally planned probably won't be till the end of the month when I get my vacation, that I can start putting in some serious work.
 
Rain-dodging stuff!
Reinhard delivered a letter in a rainstorm while dodging every raindrop. (Felt's Birthday Q&A 2018)

Reinhard weaved through Regulus' droplets of water and grains of dust, even in cqc. (Volume 19)

Cecilus says he can dodge rain. (Sword Identity)

Kid Cecilus dodges danmaku comparable to grains in a sandstorm or raindrops in a rainstorm. (Volume 37)

Cecilus and Halibel dodged rain by instinctive intuition. (Volume 38)

Reinhard, Cecilus, and Halibel can dodge a rain of light, although dodging a mist of light would be troublesome. (Volume 38)
 
Gonna touch on this too, especially for the Flow Method blog.

Idk if I want to make it a more comprehensive blog, there are so many different feats from so many different skill levels. I think it illustrates the consistency, so probably will make an effort to add more to it.

If someone like Rowan, can learn various techniques, and kill their masters, and he is mid, I think Divine General tier people, probably will be where the Genius intelligence ratings start happening, when we consider all the stuff below them and what they do, dodging stuff on instinct, reacting to invisible stuff, slowing down perception of time, hitting targets even with their senses hinder etc etc.
 
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Gonna touch on this too, especially for the Flow Method blog.

Idk if I want to make it a more comprehensive blog, there are so many different feats from so many different skill levels. I think it illustrates the consistency, so probably will make an effort to add more to it.

If someone like Rowan, can learn various techniques, and kill their masters, and he is mid, I think Divine General tier people, probably will be where the Genius intelligence ratings start happening, when we consider all the stuff below them and what they do, dodging stuff on instinct, reacting to invisible stuff, slowing down perception of time, hitting targets even with their senses hinder etc etc.
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funny because not only does most of this qualify for genius, but some verses have even argued EG combat skill for them
Genius rating is given to those that have supernatural skill/knowledge in anything and ReZero's combat skill is highly advanced
I think its fair to say that the mid tiers in ReZero are atleast genius in combat skill. Saying otherwise just feels like an underestimating at this point


Also i did some thinking on it and since its troublesome but not impossible for the transcendents to dodge "Mists of lights", we can count it in their skill feat since they can do it even if its hard to do so
Another thing worth mentioning related to this is that mist is just the water vapour in the air which is compressed heavily in an area (meaning its harder to dodge then normal water vapour because there is more quantity of it in the air)
It did require you to dodge the molecules of water itself, and when we consider that the mist in question is made up of lights...
Pretty sure they were dodging photons chief!!
 
Zabazab said:
I think they would just count as Divine General tier.

Garf >≈ Julius ≈ Groovy
Elsa ≈ Garf
Elsa ≈ Viktor Orcos ≈ Divine Generals
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Groovy is the weakest divine general and even he doesn't actually seem to be equal to them. He's way stronger from what we see in arc 8. But it is a bit vague.
 
Some stuff that can affect the World

The Dream Sword
Hence, the Dream Sword had been granted the name of “A Dream Come True” which made dreams become reality; even if it might have become a useless, dull blade depending on the wielder, it had continued to be extolled as an Enchanted Sword capable of severing the very world in twain.

Arc 8 Chapter 64
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The Yang Sword and the Fiend Sword
Even if he dodged the Yang Sword, which scorched the world as it cut through, the subsequent flash of blackness would bisect the world.

Arc 8 Chapter 48
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Jiwald
White light, in its most simple form, can rip through the world with its dreadful edge. In other words, it can become an invisible blade that tears, cuts and burns through everything in its path.

Arc 6 Chapter 26
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The white light had not been released as a singular shot; rather, chasing after Emilia, as her silver hair danced, was a hot beam of light that sliced through the world, and with it the battle had begun.

Arc 8 Chapter 68
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Treasured Swords
The moment the boy narrowed his eyes, Toledo swung his treasured sword, releasing a sword flash that went beyond the office desk.

The slash was unleashed upon the boy like a wave, and Toledo leaned forward, taking a step to close the distance on his opponent. Invigorating the muscles on his slender arms, he danced in ecstasy as the silver flashes of the treasured sword piled up.

That act scorched the atmosphere of the room, proving the sharpness of a weapon that could cut even the world.

Brotherhood of Pleiades
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Characters who possess treasured swords:
  • Rowan: has the treasured sword Onibami
  • Heinkel: got the Holy Sword Astrea from Wilhelm
  • Crusch: has the treasured sword of the Karsten Family
  • Young Wilhelm: has the treasured sword of the Trias Family
  • Peak Wilhelm: got the Holy Sword Astrea from his father in law
  • Old Wilhelm: he borrowed a treasured sword from Crusch to fight the White Whale and Sloth
  • Theresia: she used a Sacred/Holy Sword to fight Wilhelm(in the WN it was also called a treasured sword)
  • Cecilus: he spends he's entire Salary to by treasured swords, too bad he's Third and Fifth favorite swords were no match for Julius Al-Clarista
  • Ram: her wind blades has a sharpness that treasured swords can't even compare with
  • Volcanica: he's scales are sharper then any treasured sword
  • Reinhard: he's bare hands are equal to Holy Swords and Demonic Swords (Halibel's hands are as sharp as a famed Sword while Smol Cecilus hands are as sharp as a semi-famous Sword)
Note:
I think there is only 2 types of Swords in Re:Zero
Enchanted/Magical Swords: Swords that have a magical effect
Sacred/Holy Swords: so far they are only known for their Sharpness and Durability, but from the description of the Dragon Sword it sounds like they also have a Blessing of some sort

Treasured Swords: I think that they are the same as Holy Swords, the Holy Sword Astrea was also called a treasured sword multiple times so I don't think there is any diffrence

Madelyn's Flying Winged Blade
Once upon a time, ten swords, of Enchanted and Holy type both, holding special powers, were brought forth in this world.

This weapon, made of metal allegedly on par with those, fully demonstrated its power, a fiendish weapon that was far more deadly than it appeared.

Arc 7 Chapter 56B
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Madelyn: [――RRRRRRAH!!]

With enough force to shatter the ground she was standing on, the small dragonkin threw swirling death.

A flying blade of destruction traced an arc; with beauty that betrayed the atrocious danger it brought forth, it cleaved everything in its path, it severed, it tore through the world.

Arc 7 Chapter 57B
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Arakiya's belts of light
that instant, it was fired towards Cecilus, cutting through the world
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Right after he uttered those words, belts of diamond were fired from the feathered robe of the heavenly maiden.

With a flash, the belts of light closed in as they bisected the world
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He perceived that they were even sharper than Rowan’s treasured Onibami, so this was quite the hard enemy.

Arc 8 Chapter 57
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A very interesting read. The analysis of sword types was especially interesting, I'd agree that Treasured Sword would describe a blade's quality, while Enchanted Sword described a sword with a special/magical characteristic. Holy sword probably also just literally means a holy blade.

Both Ryūken Reid and Yōken Vollachia are called all three; A Treasured Sword (宝剣), a Holy Sword (聖剣), and an Enchanted Sword (魔剣l).
 
Pointing out Rowan's treasured sword in front of me is a dangerous game because I'm now obligated to point out that the sharpness of his blade likely makes his slashes far more powerful than his actual physical strength or durability, or what they would be with a normal sword.
 
VortechsTG said:
Pointing out Rowan's treasured sword in front of me is a dangerous game because I'm now obligated to point out that the sharpness of his blade likely makes his slashes far more powerful than his actual physical strength or durability, or what they would be with a normal sword.
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Unleashing the greatest sword-flash of his life with his beloved treasured sword (Yorna still thinks he's a nobody bum)

Transcending his abilities in life through death and rapidly advancing his class of swordsmanship (Not even stronger than the nobody Zombie guards that Vincent and Eugard were putting in a blender)

Rowan Segmunt is comic relief
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
The power of love.

No seriously, as long she thinks she is right, her technique gives her tremendous strength, but if she doubts herself, she gets weaker.

It's why fodder like Rowan could threaten her.
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but does that also give her hax resistances?
cause if so then soul marriage is truly busted
this also reminds me of the fact that priscilla was fine against Sirius's passive hax using a "sun disk" which was never explained further, could this be part of the ability too?
 
SatellaTheWoE said:
but does that also give her hax resistances?
cause if so then soul marriage is truly busted
this also reminds me of the fact that priscilla was fine against Sirius's passive hax using a "sun disk" which was never explained further, could this be part of the ability too?
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Cecilus simply didn't want to cheat and dura neg her, shrimple.

As for Sun Disk, I have told you it was changed in the LN. Priscilla is now Just Her.
 
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahh
Volcanica finally lifted his head, taking in the sight of tiny creatures flying all around.

“Thou, who hath reached the top of the tower. Step forth onto the first floor, almighty petitioner.”

After making a one-way statement as usual, the dragon launched a breath attack all around his vicinity. Its devastating power was more than enough to incinerate all the poor birds.

“Unbelievablee,” Meili muttered, slowly opening her eyes, which she had shut due to the brightness of the breath attack. She looked up to see all the birds and even the clouds gone, and only the clear sky created by the Divine Dragon spreading above her.
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—Meili's Witchbeast Observation Record VI, Section 1
 
Like it was a desert sky so it wasn't blanketed or anything, but the horizon from the Pleiades Watchtower would be— logically, you could the the other edge of this supposedly-flat world but ignoring that— way, way more than 20km.
 
VortechsTG said:
Pointing out Rowan's treasured sword in front of me is a dangerous game because I'm now obligated to point out that the sharpness of his blade likely makes his slashes far more powerful than his actual physical strength or durability, or what they would be with a normal sword.
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Awakening to the "Holy/Treasured Swords are limited dura neg tbh" agenda and explaining away Ram beheading Valgren
 
Some interesting Observers quotes so far.
Battle Ballad
Stride:「――Hah! There’s a certain lack of flashiness to its production for a comedy, isn’t there? What we also needed here to make things more sublime was some music that accentuates the folly rather than the silence. How surprising, the Observers in the heavens above lack a sense of aesthetic.」
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Melinda:「My lord husband is the pariah who was abandoned by his homeland. My lord husband is the fang of the criminal who curses destiny. My lord husband is the saviour of us outcasts who were rejected by history. My lord husband is the absolute blow to the Observers who sit in the heavens above.」
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Stride:「The testament of the realm fades away, and so the Dragon’s salvation shan’t come. The light coming from your Divine Protections seeps not through, and so heroes become ordinary men. Witness, cruel Observers who look down at us from the heavens above, feast your eyes to your hearts’ content. ――Witness the choices the world shall make.」
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Stride:「This world is the cruel Observers’ miniature garden. Fixed events, fate that has already been decided, where tragedy and comedy are a matter of course. It’s no more than a puppet show, merely produced and garnished to make it look as if it were real.」
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Stride:「It’s quite simple, man and woman of minor roles. The Observers hath cast their roles in their miniature garden… Namely, the Divine Protections. And you small fry differ from their pawns. My venerable self as well. And my venerable self’s wife, the Shinobi twins, and even the『Eight Arms.』What the Observers expect of us is tantamount to nothing more than playing these nameless minor roles, which we do so like bumbling idiots, in an environment where everything is already decided.」
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Stride:「――Listen, Kurgan. My venerable self saw the truth in the midst of my delirium. My venerable self saw the way the Observers are, seated in the heavens above, looking down upon us with scorn, toying with us as if we were mere pieces upon a board.」
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Arc 7
Vincent:「Fool. I am neither a God nor a Hero. Naturally, I am also different from those wicked Observers who look down upon this world―― I am a King. A King amongst Kings. The one who stands at the apex is called the Emperor by their people―― I, am that.」
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Priscilla:「Your skepticism is also a sign of your preconceived notions. Do you regard me as this world’s Observers, who can manipulate every event at will?」
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Priscilla:「From your limbs, to even individual strands of hair, flow your self through, Rem. If you do so,, you might be able to naturally slip through the influence held in the Observer’s hands, even.」

Eyes closed, slowly, the meaning of Priscilla’s words, and her own heartbeat matched, and spread throughout.

Remembering the far-away Subaru who had promised to return, and Rui who had gone together with him——Rem, who’d simply, quietly become one with the world, had her heart no longer disturbed by that.
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Ubilk, with his complete inability to adapt on the fly, trod on the toes of many in the Vollachian Empire, thus incurring the wrath of countless people. At times, he’d even had a blade pointed at him. Despite all of this, Ubilk had survived to this day――

Ubilk:「It’s the will of the stars. Oh, Ubilk… it’s too early for me to die yet, waaay~ too early.」 Clasping his hands together before his chest, Ubilk stated thus in a light-hearted manner, to which Serena’s cheeks stiffened.

There was no point in debating whether that was true or not. The fact that Ubilk had appeared here―― No, the fact that he had first appeared at the Crystal Palace, meant one thing. Ubilk would not die.

The stars he spoke of―― it was as if he was saying that his life was secured, that he had been placed under the protection of the Observers, omnipresent as they ridiculed this world.
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Ubilk:「I’m more afraid of His Excellency the Prime Minister. It seems that within him, he’s hiding hell itself.」

Berstetz:「It is not like the Stargazer to be afraid of someone like me. Why not ask the stars whether someone like me is deserving of your fear?」

Ubilk:「My apologies, Your Excellency the Prime Minister. The stars look down on this world from high in the sky, and unless they assert their dazzling selves, they cannot be seen.」 Those who were insignificant were not reflected in the future that Stargazers saw.

Whether that was a facade or his true thoughts, was impossible to read from Ubilk’s speech and conduct. But peacetime nonsense aside, Ubilk’s words could not be ignored when he was performing the role of a Stargazer.
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Ubilk:「What’s so hard to accept? Are you wondering how the real Emperor was brought here? If that’s the case, I was guided by the whispers of the stars…」

Berstetz:「Even on the battlefield, you can manage to walk down a path that is free from falling arrows. Even if soldiers are slashing at each other in close quarters, you are able to step through without a splatter of blood reaching you, let alone their sword blows, correct?」

Ubilk:「Yeah, that’s hooow~ it is. But that’s not all.」 With a smirk Ubilk nodded, making no pretense of hiding anything.

As ridiculous as it sounded, Berstetz had been witness to Ubilk’s abnormal abilities with his own eyes.

Ubilk had once leisurely walked through a literal rainstorm of projectiles and a forest of swords without suffering a single scratch. Ubilk claimed to follow the whisperings of the stars, but Berstetz could not determine whether him possessing superhuman fighting skills was true or false.

If one thing could be said for certain, then it was that he was enveloped by a power beyond human understanding, be it the whispering of the stars or Ubilk’s own abilities.
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Arc 8
Vincent:「――. The Stargazers hear the voices of the Observers from the heavens above, that exist beyond the framework. They speak of events that may occur in the far future, conferring us with the possibility of minimizing the damage. Still, that is but a matter of the scale of said damage. Not of how to prevent it from happening beforehand.」
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The very space of the dungeon itself has been relocated to a place unrelated to the destruction of the Vollachian Empire―― a kind of different dimension, and Priscilla was placed as an observer of the battle-torn Imperial Capital.

The evidence of this was that, at some point, the tremors of the fierce battles unfolding in the Imperial Capital had ceased reaching the dungeon.

Priscilla:「But for what reason would you place mineself, of all people, in the position of an Observer? The other members of the Vollachian Imperial Family aside, you have certainly considered the means wherewith to disrespect mineself in particular.」
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Od Lagna
『死に戻り』――ロズワールに詳しい条件を明かすつもりはないが、スバルの特質は見様によっては死者蘇生の禁忌に接しているといっても過言ではない。
『Return by Death』――Subaru doesn't intend to reveal the details of it's requirements to Roswaal, but it's no exaggeration to say that Subaru's traits, depending on how you look at it, border on the taboo of resurrecting the dead.

　実際、スバルは『死に戻り』を行うことで自らの死の運命を変え、さらには周囲の人々の命までも救い出している。これがオド・ラグナの目に触れていたとしたら、先ほど聞いた厳しい基準をクリアしていると思えるはずもない。
In fact, Subaru's use of 『Return by Death』 had allowed him to alter his own doomed fate, and even saved the lives of the people around him. If this had caught Od Lagna's eyes, there's no way Subaru could meet the strict criteria given.

　あるいはスバルを『死に戻り』させている存在は、そのオド・ラグナの力すらもしのぐほどの力の持ち主だとでもいうのか。
Or could it be that the entity that gave Subaru 『Return by Death』 possesses a level of power that surpasses even the power of Od Lagna?
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Subaru:「That God called Od Lagna is pretty malicious, isn't it?」

Rui:「It’s not an article so great as to be called a god, that thing. That thing has nothing like such splendid ideology, after all. It’s just a mechanism, you know. A mechanism for keeping the world from breaking is what it is.」

Subaru:「A mechanism...」

Rui:「Whether it’s Witch Factors, or Divine Protections, or Sword Saints, or Witches, it considers nothing, you know. If there’s something nice about Od Lagna, it’s just that it’s uninterested, equal, impartial, and favors nothing.」
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Rui:「But, happenings of the Corridor of Memories don’t leak outside easily. That’s why the scary, scary Witch won’t make a move.」
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Rui:「What should be done? What should be done in order to steal it? If onii-san’s Return by Death is an Authority, then it can’t be stolen by just eating. It’s different from things that come attached with Memories and Names. Witch Factors are the antithesis of Od Lagna, after all! It won’t come detached easily!」
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――白い世界が剥がれ落ちて、その向こう側に色づく世界が再構成されていく。
――The white world flakes away and the coloured world is reconstructed on the other side.

巨大で荒々しい、圧倒的な神の絵筆が世界に色を付けていく。
　God's colossal paintbrush was blotting out the blankness, adding colour to the world.

まるで、無色の空間に閉じ込められて、その内側から世界に色が塗りたくられていくのを見届けているような、そんな不思議な気分だった。
　It was such an exotic sensation, as if he were trapped in a colourless space and watching the world being painted with colour from within.

神は七日で世界を作り出したなんて話を聞いたことがあるが、この光景を見ると、神は七日かけて積み木を組み立てて世界を形作ったわけではなく、まっさらなキャンバスに絵筆で世界を描き出したのではないか、なんて思えてくる。
　He had heard the legend of God creating the world in seven days, but it did not seem like God had necessarily assembled the building blocks of the world within seven days; it rather felt as if God had painted it out on the colourless canvas.

――オド・ラグナの揺り籠。あるいは、『記憶の回廊』。
　――the cradle of Od Lagna. "The Hall of Memories."

そう呼ばれる超次元の異空間から、ナツキ・スバルの存在が引き剥がされていく。
　Natsuki Subaru's existence was being extracted from that seemingly different dimensional space.

この世に非ざる空間を離れ、断片的となる意識が徐々に結び付いて、少しずつ少しずつ、自分という自我が再形成されていって――、
　Leaving this unworldly space, the fragments of his consciousness are gradually connected, and little by little, his ego is reformed.
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Subaru:「――When I dove into the Book of the Dead, I was brought to a white, empty place instead of Reid’s past. That’s where the girl who’s the Sin Archbishop… of Gluttony was, she named herself as Rui. According to what that Rui said, that place was something like Od Lagna’s cradle, the Hall of Memories, so it seems.」

Inside the Tower, with continued tremors pursuing the soles of their feet, Subaru commenced explaining what he had seen in the Book of the Dead.

The reality of his encounter with the girl in the white space, and that place that was called the Hall of Memories. The interposition of a supernatural existence possessing overwhelming strength, Od Lagna.

Though they were just a bunch of words and phenomena unknown to Subaru, they must be worthwhile information for those aware of both the common knowledge and absurdities of this world.

And in actual fact, in response to what Subaru had explained, Beatrice thoughtfully muttered 「Od Lagna…」.

Subaru:「Rui said it was a mechanism to keep the world from breaking or something. Do you have any idea about it?」

Beatrice:「Betty isn’t well-knowledgeable regarding that either, I suppose. But, just that it is the core point of this world… The place where all Mana returns to, is what it’s said, in fact.」

Shaking her head in response to that question, such was Beatrice’s answer. Putting her finger on her sliding drills, she continued fidgeting with her soft hair.

Beatrice:「All Mana returns to Od Lagna, and gets circulated… In other words, Od Lagna is an existence heavily tied with the death and rebirth of Spirits. That’s why it can’t be stated as something unrelated to Betty and the others.」

“Anastasia”: 「However, we are special due to our origins. Our existence does not go by way of Od Lagna. In that sense, unlike other normal Spirits, we are able to hold an objective view at Od Lagna, I suppose.」
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Minerva’s Authority let her forcefully convert the destructive energy she could hold into healing power. Her punches and kicks were some of the gentlest in the whole world, but they did not come cheap. Her forceful conversion of power forcibly linked straight into Od Lagna, the root of this world, twisting its rules, causing it to execute this. And because of that, the world was forced to pay its due compensation for having twisted its general notions, in the shape of a natural disaster somewhere completely unrelated.
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「記憶をなくした時点で、死者扱いにされてるか……『タイゲタ』の『死者の書』は、あの記憶の回廊は、俺が死んだ世界のことも観測してる……？」
Subaru: 「Am I being treated as deceased, ever since I lost my memories... the 『Books of the Dead』 of 『Taygeta』, that Hall of Memories, is even observing the worlds I die in……?」

　だとしたら、何らかの形でスバルの『死』を写し取り、『死者の書』として形にしていることは考えられなくはない。だが、その場合、『死に戻り』とは。
If that were the case, then in no way is it inconceivable that it was depicting Subaru’s 『Deaths』 in some type of form through the 『Book of the Dead』. However, in that case, what did that make of 『Return by Death』.

「時間を遡ってるのか、世界そのものを作り直してるのか、どっちなのかって考えたことはあったが……」
Subaru: 「Whether it rewinds time, or does it rebuild the world itself, I had given a thought to both but……」

　仮に、『死者の書』が『菜月・昴』の本を生成する方法を仮定した場合、最も高い可能性は後者のように思えてならない。だとしたら、このナツキ・スバルを取り巻く現象は『死に戻り』なんて可愛げのあるものではなく――、
For the argument’s sake, in the case that the 『Books of the Dead』 assumed a method to generate the book of 『Natsuki Subaru』, it could not be helped but to reach the conviction that the latter had much more likelihood. If that holds true, then the phenomenon which encased this Natsuki Subaru was not something as charming as 『Return by Death』 butーー,
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Subaru:「She may be staying in the Corridor of Memories, but she can’t be its ruler. Its ruler is… a guy even more nasty, I think. Considering it from this situation…」 Halting words there for once, Subaru and 「Subaru」 collectively stated. 「――The Sage, Flugel.」
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Obviously enough, standardly, humans who stepped foot here did not possess the aim of arriving there.

Though occasionally there were some who thus slip in, Rui considered that as something like lost souls―― rephrasing, the consequence of near-death experiences.

A situation where the soul had been calmly detached from the flesh body, or a situation where it had come unstuck, perhaps.

From their perspectives, such situations were close to the feeling of being summoned out of the blue by Od Lagna.

If that were to be considered, possibly, Rui’s role was something like a guide who quelled the turmoil of people who had experienced near-death, and elucidated what this place was.

If that were to be considered as being atop Od Lagna’s invisible palm, that was, again, infuriating.

Of course, Rui hated being looked down upon, but she also despised being directed.

That was the same as Od Lagna, an existence for whom that perpetually was the usual state of things.

Rui did not want her life, which yet remained to commence, to be distorted by the interference of anyone but Rui.
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Unfortunately, in this world, there is no God. The equivalent idea of God in this world is the Od Lagna, but it doesn't have a will, nor does it pass judgement on people. Subaru surmises that the Od Lagna exists, but it doesn't do anything. Just like the God he knows, on earth.
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