Re Zero Discussion Thread: Season 3 is Real

[Zabazab]

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Touhou is the primary rain-dodging verse, I believe.

If I were to word Rain-Dodging in wiki terms, I'd maybe call it "Resistance to Danmaku".

 

[VortechsTG]

Touhou is the primary rain-dodging verse, I believe.

Yes, but I couldn't find anything on the handful of profiles I checked (like 5 or 6)

If I were to word Rain-Dodging in wiki terms, I'd maybe call it "Resistance to Danmaku".

I think that's too standard and doesn't entail the ability to actually ignore reality. People will still ignore it. I'd argue it's closer to limited invulnerability but I'm not sure if there's a better way to go about it.

 

[Zabazab]

Yes, but I couldn't find anything on the handful of profiles I checked (like 5 or 6)

Hmm, maybe a Touhou Goon would know more then.

Also, the rain stuff could be handwaved away when it was two statements, but now we have like close to 10 feats and we can't not index it lmao. I'd like to be more positive about it but other users don't seem to be fans of physically impossible feats, in spite of them being both acknowledged as impossible in-verse and yet still performed by transcendents...

 

[VortechsTG]

I'd like to be more positive about it but other users don't seem to be fans of physically impossible feats, in spite of them being both acknowledged as impossible in-verse and yet still performed by transcendents...

Well they can suck it. If you're going to deny the abilities a character has because you don't like it as a writing decision you don't get to have an opinion on the discussion. That's just how it is

 

[Zabazab]

Yeah it being Literally Physically Impossible is kind of the entire point of why Tappei keeps making his top tiers do it.

Also, Reinhard suggesting flipping Lupugana with a kick is probably an insane feat but it's Garfiel's Dying-Dream Reinhard so it runs into the issue of whether it's an accurate approximation of him (it probably is).

 

[Zabazab]

Speed thread will be coming sometime around the weekend.

I expect lots of chaos.

I don't recall if it was sent here already, but there is a calc of Roswaal J. dodging Jiwald, which is helpful.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Yes, but I couldn't find anything on the handful of profiles I checked (like 5 or 6)

I think that's too standard and doesn't entail the ability to actually ignore reality. People will still ignore it. I'd argue it's closer to limited invulnerability but I'm not sure if there's a better way to go about it.

less limited invuln and more Skill-Based Intangibility (trademarked)
it's not like it's hitting them and doing nothing, it just isn't hitting them at all despite the fact that by all means there should be rain occupying the space where their body is

 

[VortechsTG]

I don't recall if it was sent here already, but there is a calc of Roswaal J. dodging Jiwald, which is helpful.

To be completely honest, the more I think about this the more I think it is potentially a legitimate feat that isn't far outside of the realm of possibility. I mean, they are very consistently described as being lightning speed or faster. They have to be at least that. This is still a lot faster but not so much that it seems completely outrageous. That's about 28 times lightning speed.

If we have an example of slower characters being lightning speed I would be able to completely get behind it.

 

[VortechsTG]

less limited invuln and more Skill-Based Intangibility (trademarked)
it's not like it's hitting them and doing nothing, it just isn't hitting them at all despite the fact that by all means there should be rain occupying the space where their body is

Yeah, this crossed my mind in the past and I do agree this would have been a better way to describe it. It's just that it can't be bypassed by npi so it isn't quite invulnerability or intangibility. I view it as more like a seperate ability with aspects of both. If we could actually list it as "skill based intangibility" that would be good.

 

[Zabazab]

less limited invuln and more Skill-Based Intangibility (trademarked)
it's not like it's hitting them and doing nothing, it just isn't hitting them at all despite the fact that by all means there should be rain occupying the space where their body is

Prevasion:

 

[Worthless]

Extraordinary Acrobatics and Limited Elasticity, probably. It may look super dull, but compared to Intangibility and Invulnerability, it's at least a more realistic approach

 

[VortechsTG]

Realism is not necessary in fiction. Nor is it accurate in this case. There is no elasticity involved in the ability either.

 

[Zabazab]

I still find Tappei's decision to ditch the ""grounded"" battles a bit of a sudden shift in Arc 8, although I really do enjoy the spectacle of it.

I should probably get other Arc 7 & 8 feats calced too, things like Garfiel launching house-cannonballs is easy Class M.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Extraordinary Acrobatics and Limited Elasticity, probably. It may look super dull, but compared to Intangibility and Invulnerability, it's at least a more realistic approach

ya vortechs is right
who gaf about "realistic", they aren't doing wacky stretching and bending to fit in the gaps, they are simply not being hit despite being physically too large to not get hit.
it's like standing in the middle of an AoE attack and dodging it, it doesn't make sense to begin with so realism is not a factor

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I don't recall if it was sent here already, but there is a calc of Roswaal J. dodging Jiwald, which is helpful.

This might shakes things up a bit maybe, it fits in to 1 of the options I presented, but ehh this is going to be so messy....

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Extraordinary Acrobatics and Limited Elasticity, probably. It may look super dull, but compared to Intangibility and Invulnerability, it's at least a more realistic approach

why would Elasticity be an option at all....

I think its too different from anything to be properly indexed as anything
I would like to ask your opinion on Godly intuition though, since its now a regular part of the verse now
There seems to be a intuition feat for almost every character and i might even make a blog for it since it does seem to scale to the tier of the character

 

[VortechsTG]

It's worth noting that Once Upon a Time in Lugunica II describes Theresia as someone who could easily lop off Marcos’ head at this point in time. Because of this and the statement that he is on par with some of the strongest fighters of the demi-human war, we can now not only definitively say that he has grown stronger since this story takes place but also definitively say that he is on the same level as Grimm, Carol, Balleroy, Olbart, etc. at this point in time.

 

[Worthless]

Realism is not necessary in fiction. Nor is it accurate in this case. There is no elasticity involved in the ability either.

His body would have to bend in unrealistic ways to dodge every drop of rain. I'm not sure if there is another ability to describe such body movement besides "elasticity," but that's what it is. This intangibility and invulnerability make it seem like you all just wanted to make it appear more complicated than it actually is, rather than accurately reflecting his skill.

 

[Gigi_4_life]

It's worth noting that Once Upon a Time in Lugunica II describes Theresia as someone who could easily lop off Marcos’ head at this point in time. Because of this and the statement that he is on par with some of the strongest fighters of the demi-human war, we can now not only definitively say that he has grown stronger since this story takes place but also definitively say that he is on the same level as Grimm, Carol, Balleroy, Olbart, etc. at this point in time.

I agree that he grew stronger with time, because a 14 year old Roswaal was fighting evenly with him without his signature flying+nuking strategy (and also the fact that the current Roswaal needs to fly to beat Garfiel even as early as arc 4). I disagree with Olbart and Balleroy being mentioned alongside Grimm and Carol tho but that’s a discussion for another time.

 

[VortechsTG]

His body would have to bend in unrealistic ways to dodge every drop of rain. I'm not sure if there is another ability to describe such body movement besides "elasticity," but that's what it is.

His body would have to literally have holes in it for the rain to go through but that's not what happens. He simply dodges.

This intangibility and invulnerability make it seem like you all just wanted to make it appear more complicated than it actually is, rather than accurately reflecting his skill.

What we are suggesting is not very complicated. Certainly less so than what you did. What matters first and foremost is accuracy. How "complicated" it is is irrelevant.

 

[VortechsTG]

I disagree with Olbart and Balleroy being mentioned alongside Grimm and Carol tho but that’s a discussion for another time.

Why? To be fair, Grimm and Carol may in fact be noticeably stronger than them. After all, Arakiya is consistently described as being noticeably stronger than them and kid Cecilus who matched her also manhandled Mezoreia (You changed my mind btw Zab). I've always thought of Balleroy and Olbart as only being a little bit weaker than Arakiya but I haven't thought about it since that convo with Zab until now.

Then again, it's hard to ignore how Balleroy's fight with Ceci went down, Olbart keeping up with his speed, or that he still had difficulty breaking through Mezo's skin so I may actually be wrong about this nvm.

 

[Gigi_4_life]

Why? To be fair, Grimm and Carol may in fact be noticeably stronger than them. After all, Arakiya is consistently described as being noticeably stronger than them and kid Cecilus who matched her also significantly outsped Olbart and manhandled Mezoreia (You changed my mind btw Zab). I've always thought of Balleroy and Olbart as only being a little bit weaker than Arakiya but I haven't thought about it since that convo with Zab until now.

I don’t see how being weaker than Arakiya and kid Cecilus mean they’re noticeably weaker than Grimm and Carol. I don’t really see why you would view them this highly tbh, Olbart would have killed Garfiel multiple times in their encounter if it weren’t for Roswaal and he’s just overall better than them at everything ngl (except Grimm’s defense), meanwhile Carol and Grimm dont really have much except for being way weaker than the likes of young Wilhelm and Kurgan and fighting evenly (correct me if I’m wrong ofc cuz it’s been a while since I read BB) with the twin Shinobis who are below Olbart. Grimm has good defence (that’s his entire thing) but he lacks in other areas while Carol is more balanced but still nothing crazy ngl. I do think that they have a chance at beating Balleroy tho if he doesn’t have Carillon (aka when he’s on the ground).

 

[VortechsTG]

I don’t see how being weaker than Arakiya and kid Cecilus mean they’re noticeably weaker than Grimm and Carol.

Because Arakiya has fared even worse against Cecilus than the Wilogy cast have against Kurgan and Wilhelm. Arakiya was only able to singe his clothes once after hundreds of bouts with him while Bordeaux stopped a blow from Kurgan and Grimm blocked multiple from Wilhelm in succession before being eventually overwhelmed.

Olbart would have killed Garfiel multiple times in their encounter if it weren’t for Roswaal and he’s just overall better than them at everything ngl

Speaking as a massive Garfiel fan who has liked him as my favorite character above even Subaru at certain points in time (during arc 5 basically) no the **** he is not I did change my mind to be fair but in terms of pure speed and skill he still seemed weaker at this point. I'd liken it to the difference between him and Wilhelm in arc 5.

meanwhile Carol and Grimm dont really have much except for being way weaker than the likes of young Wilhelm and Kurgan

Except they aren't way weaker. Noticeably weaker? Sure. But the rest of the divine generals are even more so noticeably weaker.

with the twin Shinobis who are below Olbart

Except they aren't. Just because he is the chief doesn't mean he's stronger. He isn't stronger than Halibel either.

I do think that they have a chance at beating Balleroy tho if he doesn’t have Carillon (aka when he’s on the ground).

Balleroy without Carillion has a fraction of his normal power

 

[Zabazab]

There is still a blitz & one-shot gap between the likes of Theresia and normal Young Wilhelm & Kurgan (given how hard Wilhelm clapped Kurgan after accessing the skill he reached when fighting Theresia), and then the likes of Bordeaux can only barely contend with Kurgan or Wilhelm for a few moments.

 

[VortechsTG]

There is still a blitz & one-shot gap between the likes of Theresia and normal Young Wilhelm & Kurgan (given how hard Wilhelm clapped Kurgan after accessing the skill he reached when fighting Theresia)

You're confused. Wilhelm had already reached the level he had when he fought Theresia. It was only in that moment that he surpassed it. Kurgan also beat Theresia, remember?

 

[Zabazab]

You're confused. Wilhelm had already reached the level he had when he fought Theresia. It was only in that moment that he surpassed it. Kurgan also beat Theresia, remember?

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His sword sublimated to a might that went from super-speed to hyper-speed, to hyper-speed to the speed of god, until finally transcending the very concept of steel.

Upwards, leftwards, rightwards―― He had no way of knowing what sort of feeling must have gone through the『Eight Arms’』heart the moment that he’d parried all three of his critical attacks head on.

Wilhelm:「――」

Wilhelm himself couldn’t comprehend in the very moment how stunning of a feat that it was he’d accomplished. Perhaps his sword technique had rivalled the time when he’d defeated the『Sword Saint』Theresia at the ceremony to mark the end of the Civil War; in other words, the Absolute Sword that had reached the very pinnacle――,

He swung his Holy Sword out and parried away, with all the strength he could muster, the Dragon’s Claws that had come scything towards him. Both of his shoulders creaked as he received the impact, some of his muscles ruptured, and it felt like he’d chipped some of his molars from clenching them so hard.

Fragile. I’m shoddier than ever. My sword was too shoddy right now.

I need to recall my finale with Kurgan. The moment where I avoided that guy’s blow of certain death, and get as close to it as I can. Or―― get close to the levels that my sword technique was at when I snatched Theresia away from the Sword God.

 

[Gigi_4_life]

Because Arakiya has fared even worse against Cecilus than the Wilogy cast have against Kurgan and Wilhelm. Arakiya was only able to singe his clothes once after hundreds of bouts with him while Bordeaux stopped a blow from Kurgan and Grimm blocked multiple from Wilhelm in succession before being eventually overwhelmed.

Arakiya being fodder to Cecilus of all people isn’t really a low showing… She’s a peer (or slight superior) to kid Cecilus, which is very impressive considering the fact that kid Cecilus was clowning on Mezoria.
Grimm’s entire thing is his defence ability, he was able to block 3 blows from a young Wilhelm before being KO’D, I’m not sure how that means that he’s not way weaker. Young Wilhelm was able to beat Carol, Grimm, Bordeaux and an army of the best knights all at once, he would have absolutely stomped any of them if he fought them 1 on 1

Speaking as a massive Garfiel fan who has liked him as my favorite character above even Subaru at certain points in time (during arc 5 basically) no the **** he is not I did change my mind to be fair but in terms of pure speed and skill he still seemed weaker at this point. I'd liken it to the difference between him and Wilhelm in arc 5.

I was talking abt Olbart when I said that but even then Garfiel is better than them even during his earlier days. Roswaal L Mathers (who we can all agree is simply better than Roswaal J Mathers who’s comparable to Grimm and Carol) cannot beat Garfiel (even as early as arc 4) without flying away. Roswaal L=Roswaal J in terms of martial skill and Tappei stated that Garfiel is overwhelmingly better at hand to hand combat than Roswaal.

Except they aren't way weaker. Noticeably weaker? Sure. But the rest of the divine generals are even more so noticeably weaker.
Except they aren't. Just because he is the chief doesn't mean he's stronger. He isn't stronger than Halibel either.

Olbart is the chief because he’s the strongest. He’s been stated to be the strongest Shinobi in Vollachia multiple times and has lived for over 90 years. Being weaker than Halibel doesn’t really mean much, Halibel is the strongest Shinobi in the world after all and is in the top 10 of the verse too

Balleroy without Carillion has a fraction of his normal power

True, were you arguing Grimm and Carol could beat Balleroy when he’s in the sky btw? Because that’s just… not feasible no matter how you look at it. Balleroy is a terrible matchup for characters that don’t have long range attacks and can’t fly or jump into the clouds (even then he’s constantly moving and invisible)

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Speed thread is live.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Speed thread is live.

oh boy....

 

[VortechsTG]

?

This simply isn't consistent with what we see. Wilhelm is shown to normally be on the same level as the rest of the cast. Grimm, Carol, Julia, etc. Kurgan is repeatedly shown to be above them to the same extent Wilhelm was when he fought them all. He even straight up tossed around Valgren. He also beat Theresia. Arc 5 reinforces this furthur by placing him on the same level as her.

Wilhelm was already beyond his normal limits when fighting Kurgan. Kurgan beat Theresia and threatened to rape her. He was ******* mad. Him placing his foot on the path towards the Heavenly Sword was meant to be a great achievement of his that Kurgan had never seen before. It would not sense for him to have only then reached Theresia's level.

 

[Zabazab]

Kurgan beat Theresia and threatened to rape her.

When did Theresia and Kurgan fight? Theresia gave up the sword in Ex 2, and never held it again until the Great Subjugation.

Ignoring that, the scale I'd suggest is PoL Wilhelm & Theresia > (blitzed & one-shot) Young Wilhelm & Kurgan > The BB Cast (Can only contend for a few moments, ultimately vastly inferior)

 

[VortechsTG]

Eyes clear as a blue sky, beautiful hair as red as a flame in the wind, heart unclouded by any doubt as to the Sword Devil’s victory.
So long as those eyes were set upon him, he could not lose to anyone. And so…
“You just keep talking. I’m going to beat you…Eight-Arms Kurgan.”
“Then I shall give your name to the child I bear by your princess—Sword Devil, Wilhelm.”
The seven great arms held the huge blades, “Devil Cleavers.” Kurgan, whose technique had repelled even the Sword Saint, prepared for battle, his whole body overflowing with a warrior’s aura.
The endless frenzied combat, the life-and-death fight, the duel between the Sword Devil and Eight-Arms… -Ex 3

Does this not speak for itself?

 

[Zabazab]

Does this not speak for itself?

So they didn't fight at all, let alone did Theresia lose. There's just vague narration that could hint at Kurgan possibly being able to "repel" her (which again, makes no sense since they never fought???), versus Wilhelm himself showing and stating twice that by reaching the same strength that rivalled Theresia he can instantly defeat Kurgan, as well as defeat Valgren alone. Stride also specifically waits for Theresia to fall pregnant before starting his plan, while he was happy to have Kurgan face Wilhelm.

Stride:「You did tell my venerable self, right? That you’d vowed you’d never take up your sword again. Even so, my venerable self doesn’t believe your promise. If your own body, or that of your husband’s were to be in peril, my venerable self reckons you’d break that promise and take up your sword. As the transcendental being you are, you would rely on your Divine Protection.」

He said this, as dark blood trickled down from the corner of his lips.

This was why Stride had kept a close eye on Theresia, before bringing her into his schemes.

Stride:「Thus, I was waiting. ――Waiting for the moment you’d become pregnant, the moment you’d become a mother, the moment you’d become weak.」

He’d meticulously arranged the pieces on his board so that they wouldn’t be destroyed by transcendental beings like the『Sword Saint.』

 

[VortechsTG]

It is hard to deny that quote from Stride so it seems you are right that Wilhelm just reached his full strength when he fought Theresia as well. Although, it's still clear that he does have three different states. His base state fought the twin shura, the worm, and Valgren. His second fought Kurgan and all of the knights. His third fought Theresia and dealt the finishing blow to Kurgan. That seems to be the case.

 

[Gigi_4_life]

Ok guys hear me out

So Roswaal L loses to the likes of arc 4 Garf and old Wilhelm if they start fighting at close range…

In the side story where Marcos and Roswaal fight, Roswaal states that Marcos is on the lvl of people from the BB cast, but throughout the fight we can still see that he thinks that he can win and I think everyone here can agree that Roswaal isn’t delusional enough to think he can take on Theresia or young Wilhelm at close range, so he has to be talking about Grimm and Carol.

So all of this means that Roswaal L at close range is still Grimm and Carol lvl and that he still loses to arc 4 Garf and the like…

imo Theresia>>>old Wilhelm>arc 4 Garf~young Marcos>~Roswaal L (close range)~Grimm~Carol

idk how much time has passed between OUATIL and the newest side story, but it’s probably not enough for Marcos to have grown significantly stronger, which is why he’s still fodder to the likes of Theresia (for now).

Didn’t wanna say all this stuff in the speed thread to mess things up more, but I do think that Roswaal’s reaction speed should be at most comparable to Olbart’s combat speed or slightly below, because while he can somewhat react to him, he can only do so for one attack (ex: he blocks a shuriken but has to have Garfiel save him from getting his skull crushed by Olbart’s kick) and the fact that he can predict Olbart’s strategies definitely helps. I think the same reaction speed should be given to people like Elsa, old Wilhelm, Grimm and Carol (Olbart’s combat speed so somewhere around sub-relativistic reaction speed and ig Emilia’s reaction speed might go there too???).

But anyways thx if you listened to my yapping gn.

 

[Zabazab]

idk how much time has passed between OUATIL and the newest side story

The gap is small enough that Marcos is still experiencing side-effects from the Divine Protection of Mind-Changing

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

While we are trying to sort out the speed debacle.

@FantaRin_The_First @SeijiSetto Either of you willing to try calculating these building throwing feats ie Tanza throws houses

Spoiler: Tanza Launches Buildings

――Izmail turned himself around the moment he heard a loud noise, one unlike the others in his environment.
Izmail: “――――”
His old, burned body was replaced by a brand - new, cracked one. Izmail, hero of the Cyclops Tribe, took a wide stance and lowered his posture to capture the approach of a large shadow in his single eye.
As Izmail stood in the street, flying parabolically above
his head was, as if by some joke, one of the houses that made up the Imperial Capital that had been pulled out of the street in its entirety.
It was forcibly torn from the ground and thrown, spilling pieces all over the ground and walls, scattering like crumbs from a loaf of bread. In reality it was not that cute, and most people would certainly be crushed to death. Even still――
Izmail: “――How slow!”



The source of the animosity that drove Izmail’s supposedly - dead body towards those that had defiled the honor of such universal martial arts, was great.
Izmail: “It’s a fight――”
Stepping onto the dirt - strewn streets, Izmail’s body advanced toward the enemy.
Stone projectiles, similar to the ones from before, were hurled to intercept him, and then followed a subsequent massive projectile―― a house, describing a parabolic trajectory; although, he did not think it was cowardly or a weak man’s tactic.
Only that it was a fine tactic. That he held respect for,
and needed to destroy.
Izmail: “A warrior’s death must come at the hands of a warrior.”
The speed and accuracy of the incoming stones were quite high. Although he responded with a minimal amount of ducking and parrying with his raised battle - axe, it would be inevitable that his bones would be shattered if he were to receive a proper hit.
Needless to say, the massive house that had been thrown into the air was a projectile with such force that it would immediately render its target incapacitated. However――
Izmail: “Don’t think it’s your exclusive right to send something flying!”- Arc 8, Chapter 4

Garfiel throws houses

Spoiler: Garfiel House

While scorching his left arm as it basked in the breath, Garfiel used his momentum from jumping to the side to smash through the wall of a private residence on the side of the road, and was hidden from the Cloud Dragon’s vision.
But, in the face of the Cloud Dragon’s breath, even a stone - built structure would not endure. It was different to the pig’s house that would not be blown down by the wolf’s breath, which Subaru had told him about in the past.
Struck with impacts from the succession of breaths, the walls very quickly flayed off the house; as the furniture and belongings were being destroyed, the damage reached Garfiel, who had plunged inside the house―― at least that was what should have happened.
Garfiel: “OOOOOOORAAAHHH!!!”
Then, before the house exposed to the breath could be demolished to rubble, the roaring Garfiel had used both his hands to tear out the house from the very ground, and heartily hurled it through the air.
A house - cannonball that furiously gyrated as it scattered through the street―― oddly enough, Garfiel was making full use of the same tactic that Natsuki Subaru had employed when evacuating the Imperial Capital. With the ball of mass hurled from those hands approaching it, Mezoreia took an especially large breath.
Mezoreia: “You’re in my friggin’
way!”
Roaring with a childish expression that ran contrary to its colossal and dignified appearance, the Cloud Dragon blew the house to smithereens before it could reach its destination.
However, it would be naive of Mezoreia to think it could catch its breath as a result of that.
Garfiel: “ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORAAHHH!!”
Since it had defended against the first house - cannonball, Garfiel grabbed them up from the systematically laid out townscape of the Imperial Capital one by one, and hurled them towards the Cloud Dragon in the sky with tremendous strength.
With the combination of Garfiel’s physical strength, and the fact that the ground of the Imperial Capital had softened through repeated impacts, the aberrant balls of mass were fired in quick succession; witnessing this, Mezoreia widened its golden eyes.
Mezoreia: “Youuuu’re aaaaaaaa friiiiiiigginnnnnnnn’ EYESOOOOOOOOORE!!”
As the house - cannonballs flew towards it, Mezoreia flapped its wings and intercepted them.
Its arms, furnished with sharp claws, rampaged in the air, blowing away two houses, and swinging its tail straight upwards from below, it destroyed three buildings altogether in one intense strike.-Arc 8, Chapter 44

Yorna's subordinates launch boulders as big as houses from a distance

Spoiler: Boulder

Passing over him with a tremendous force, flying through the sky as it spun, was an enormous boulder that could be mistaken for a house―― Even then, it was not just one or two.


One after another, stones of an abnormal scale, clad in an extremely strong wind, being hurled passed over his head, flying above Heinkel’s towards the place his feet were pointing at.


And then, where they were headed――


Heinkel: “――――”


The impact of the crash quaked the world, and it shook Heinkel’s buttocks, giving him the impression that the ground was coughing violently.


As those were continuously fired out, reverberating upon their crash, Heinkel got up from that place in a panic.


The one who was continuously being targeted by those boulders, suffering direct hits one after the other, was the figure who was also on an abnormal scale―― it was the rampart itself standing up.


Heinkel: “…Moguro Hagane.”


One of the nine most feared people within this Empire, and through what he was able to witness, Heinkel felt that with his whole body and soul.


He thought that what he had seen just before his consciousness was snuffed out had possibly been an optical illusion, or a hallucination brought by having been paralyzed by fear, but it had been neither.


――With a large body that probably exceeded tens of meters, Moguro blocked their way, quite literally the third bastion that Heinkel and the others originally were supposed to conquer.


Literally, indeed, quite literally.


Perhaps this very situation was the existence most suitable for the word “literally”, in this world.


In that place, the rampart had gotten up on its knees and taken the shape of a golem, and employing the pavements from the upheaved farmland as its own arms and torso, it carried out unbelievable defensive measures.


Swarming at the feet of that massive body were the stone golems, which Heinkel had cut down in his desperation. The giant fist that struck downwards from above their heads, was just like a town crashing down.


Heinkel: “――――”


Aiming for that massive body, were the large boulders which had been fired countless times just a bit prior.


Those originated from quarries along the way to the site of the decisive battle, the Imperial Capital, but also from the crumbled cliffs of the steep mountains, rocks prepared to be used in

the siege.


So then, continuing to throw those towards the titanic Moguro, were those who were awaiting an opportunity to attack from back at the stronghold――


Heinkel: “――The subordinates of Yorna Mishigure.”


To be precise, they were the citizens of the Demon City of Chaosflame who Yorna directed.


Races with horns and lizardmen, beastmen and those from the Multi-Leg Tribe, they were a mixed force without a sense of unity, and there was only one thing in common which tied them together into an assembled formation.


――Their common feature could be said to be that each one of them housed a red flame in one of their eyes, and housed within was their high morale.


Quite literally, this was a group whose fighting spirit burned within their eyes, several of them able to lift up the unbelievably large boulders, capable of throwing them across an outrageous distance.-Arc 7, Chapter 96

Tanza is like the strongest of Yorna's subordinates, and even while been amped by Yorna's soul marriage + Subaru's Cor Leonis, is only 2nd Class Divine General level, so yea these would be verse wide revisions.

Looking through the LN illustrations, doesn't look to me like they give accurate sizes for the buildings in Vollachia, but maybe I am wrong, here is vol 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38.

If those don't work, we could use some of the visuals from season 1 of the anime for buildings in Lugunica's capital. The very first episode seems to have some usable stuff, I got this for example.

 

[Zabazab]

Garfiel throws houses

I made this, but it doesn't use pixel scaling of actual Capital city buildings or Garf, which I know may be preferred. Not even sure if I did the maths correctly.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I made this, but it doesn't use pixel scaling of actual Capital city buildings or Garf, which I know may be preferred. Not even sure if I did the maths correctly.

Well it's a start, not sure if the Tanza feat can be considered a comparable feat.

It does have descriptions about houses being thrown at high speeds and making parabola, so maybe?

 

[Zabazab]

Hmm, it does directly compare Garfiel's house cannonballs to Tanza's, but it goes without saying that Garfiel is far, far, superior even to double-amped Tanza