Reinhard takes on his first tier 1 (with some help)

[LordGinSama]

I mean once he agrees to a truce there wouldnt be a point to attack him either?
Instinctive reaction wont activate if there nothing IS to react to yk

It's not Vash attacking.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

It's not Vash attacking.

What is the plant trying to attack on Instinctive REACTION when there is no action???

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Bump
Assume equal dimensions

 

[LordGinSama]

Bump

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Bump

Well what can vash do to stop Reinhard from nuking him with dimension equalized?

 

[LordGinSama]

Well what can vash do to stop Reinhard from nuking him with dimension equalized?

Defend, dodge or spam his black-hole bullets. Vash's dodging is pretty ridiculous, scaling to those who can dodge AoE that can nuke the surface of a planet the size of No-Mans-Land.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Defend, dodge or spam his black-hole bullets. Vash's dodging is pretty ridiculous, scaling to those who can dodge AoE that can nuke the surface of a planet the size of No-Mans-Land.

He can dodge 9000 kilometres with speed equalized? Somehow i doubt that.
But either way, Reinhard has a blessing that makes all of his attacks hit his opponents and a blessing that always makes his projectile hit their target

Also the black holes will just get slashed down because rz god tiers can nullify black holes easily

 

[LordGinSama]

He can dodge 9000 kilometres with speed equalized? Somehow i doubt that.

Speed being equalized doesn't mean Vash can't get faster. Once he starts trying he activates his Plant growth which is infinite growth at an alarming rate. Or he can opt to just create a force-field to avoid it. Or teleport out the way via Sub-Space bullets.

But either way, Reinhard has a blessing that makes all of his attacks hit his opponents and a blessing that always makes his projectile hit their target.

Plants already do that via manipulating causality and Vash can dodge those type of attacks from Independent Plants like Knives's.

Also the black holes will just get slashed down because rz god tiers can nullify black holes easily

These aren't normal black-holes. Black-Hole created by Plants are based on cause and effect, erase things from existence, nullify powers, teleport people, etc.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Speed being equalized doesn't mean Vash can't get faster. Once he starts trying he activates his Plant growth which is infinite growth at an alarming rate.

Reinhard also gets speed amped the longer you fight him and he downscales from Reid and upscales from Cecilus who both get massively faster dhring combat

Or he can opt to just create a force-field to avoid it.

Reinhard's passive powernull:

Or teleport out the way via Sub-Space bullets.

Even mid tiers like Emilia can handle teleportation, no way will Reinhard be affected By it. Plus its 9000 kilometres in an instant. How far does vash usualy teleport?

Plants already do that via manipulating causality and Vash can dodge those type of attacks from Independent Plants like Knives's.

Good for him

These aren't normal black-holes. Black-Hole created by Plants are based on cause and effect,

EMM

erase things from existence, nullify powers,

EMT

teleport people, etc.

Al shamak
All things that have been nulled by Reinhard beforehand

 

[VortechsTG]

What can Vash do to actually put Reinhard down? What are his win cons?

 

[LordGinSama]

Reinhard also gets speed amped the longer you fight him and he downscales from Reid and upscales from Cecilus who both get massively faster dhring combat

I'm aware but as far as I'm aware they can't grow faster and stronger infinitely. Vash's type of RE can.

Even mid tiers like Emilia can handle teleportation, no way will Reinhard be affected By it. Plus its 9000 kilometres in an instant. How far does vash usualy teleport?

Not all teleportation is made equal. Vash's teleportation is a lot more accurate than anything Reinhard has faced. As for the distance he can teleport literally a universal distance.

EMM

Explain ya dirty weeb.

EMT

Your killing me with these terms-

Al shamak
All things that have been nulled by Reinhard beforehand

Reinhard has negated causality manipulation that's layered?

 

[LordGinSama]

What can Vash do to actually put Reinhard down? What are his win cons?

Black-Hole's, Existence erasure, Deconstruction, sensory removal, BFR'ing Reinhard, etc.

 

[VortechsTG]

Black-Hole's, Existence erasure, Deconstruction, sensory removal, BFR'ing Reinhard, etc.

None of that would really do anything to Reinhard unless it's layered.

 

[LordGinSama]

None of that would really do anything to Reinhard unless it's layered.

Black-Hole's in Vash's case are not regular black-holes, they're much more deadly and operate on high end causality hax. Existence Erasure isn't something he has resistance to on his profile and Vash's BFR is vastly superior to anything Beatrice has accomplished. Unless she's out here BFR'ing a universal black hole manipulating causality to a whole new universe then you can't claim he's resistant on Vash's level.


Vash isn't manipulating space to BFR, he's effecting cause and effect in order to accomplish this, not a standard form of BFR. He isn't targeting the opponent's space, but rather altering cause and effect freely as Plants do.

 

[VortechsTG]

So in other words, the black holes bfring someone is just a representation of causality being manipulated so they were never there to begin with? Hmmmm Well, I'll vote Vash if so.

 

[LordGinSama]

So in other words, the black holes bfring someone is just a representation of causality being manipulated so they were never there to begin with? Hmmmm Well, I'll vote Vash if so.

Essentially yeah.

Tbh I am both excited and scared for any skill debate here lmfao.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I'm aware but as far as I'm aware they can't grow faster and stronger infinitely. Vash's type of RE can.

Pretty sure there is a statement about Reinhard not having a limit to his growth, lemme see if i can find it

Not all teleportation is made equal. Vash's teleportation is a lot more accurate than anything Reinhard has faced.

Wdym accurate, teleportation is teleportation unless they have specific weaknesses which leaper doesn't

As for the distance he can teleport literally a universal distance.

How much would he travel IC to avoid an attack

Explain ya dirty weeb.

EMM cuts you off from Space-time, reality and existence essentially making you immune to regular cause and effect. This is basically like a downgraded version of Regulus's Lions heart and Reinhard can neg it

Your killing me with these terms-

Power null basically, also Reinhard can fight and win against Reid who has Existence Erasure

Reinhard has negated causality manipulation that's layered?

How do you layer causality manipulation-
And is it even accepted?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Black-Hole's,

which can be removed

Existence erasure,

type 4 and 8 immo + Reids eE not killing him

Deconstruction,

He straught up resists that but its not on his profile yet. However you can consider his DSR which does resist deconstruction and EE so he can just use it to block the attacks

sensory removal,

Thats like basic shamak, rz low tiers can shake it off via skill

BFR'ing Reinhard, etc.

The BFR is interesting though there is an arguement for Reinhard essentially kilking himself to come back or smth

 

[LordGinSama]

Wdym accurate, teleportation is teleportation unless they have specific weaknesses which leaper doesn't

Vash's basically involves accuracy. He shoots and he teleports himself, it's essentially just Vash teleporting with insane accuracy.

How much would he travel IC to avoid an attack

In character, he tends spam it. For instance whenever Knive's went to deep space, Vash teleported from Earth right to him and used it to evade Dark Void nukes from Knive's.

EMM cuts you off from Space-time, reality and existence essentially making you immune to regular cause and effect. This is basically like a downgraded version of Regulus's Lions heart and Reinhard can neg it

Is that something Reinhard can do himself or are you saying he's negated it before? Can you post some scans of the ability?

Power null basically, also Reinhard can fight and win against Reid who has Existence Erasure

First of all, spoilers you arse. secondly, Vash already has resistance to power nullification.

How do you layer causality manipulation-
And is it even accepted?

It's fiction, essentially anything can be layered but I probably used the wrong term. Vash's Causality manipulation is potent enough to effect a Type 4 Acausal like Knive's and even managed to nuke Acausality type 3 with his Causality manipulation.

which can be removed

How is Reinhard removing causality?

type 4 and 8 immo + Reids eE not killing him

Vash can negate regeneration and immortality, type 8 isn't an issue.

Thats like basic shamak, rz low tiers can shake it off via skill

Fair enough but it's still a thing Vash can do sooo. Reinhard can counter it of course but I'm just saying it's an option Vash has.