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The following thread aims to change and add a few stuffs on Altair (Re:Creators)'s Profile as well as to Selesia Upitiria
Powers and Abilities
For Altair
1) Broadway Force: Made the minions dance to her tunes when she duplicated them in Ep 12 from 12:40 to 23:00
2) Deconstruction: Has deconstructed Selesia's things as a side effect of her 9th movement before they automatically got erased such as Selesia's Vogelchevalier or Sho's Bayard
3) Empowerment: She literally gets powered up when people support her or if anyone who perceives her thinks she's strong or unbeatable or invincible
4) Self-Sustenance (Type 1, 2, & 3): Being a type 1 abstract with non-corporeality, she should have all of these
5) Subjective Reality: Very obvious one. Holopsicon grants her this.
6) Text Manipulation: Can manipulate Texts in devices for example in Ep 1 just before she transported Sota or in Ep 21 when she was united with Setsuna finally
7) Time Manipulation (Can Slow Down Time): In Ep 21 from 15:07 to 16:20 she slowed down Time to delay the impact of the train on Setsuna. She can even hold a minute long conversation within the time the train tried to cover a distance of a few meters
8) Weapon Creation: Can create weapons such as her Swords or Sub-Machine Gun
9) Passive Plot Manipulation: Passively Hijacked the Birdcage/Border World Colleseum's story into her own story to boost her powers thereby trolling Meteora and the Creators big time
10) Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation in her EoS Key: At the end of the series, Altair becomes a creator herself through the amped powers of the Audience and is stated to be God which is equivalent to the creators in the Real World who can create concepts like Selesia's Ionion Aphoria. As such, she should get the ability too.
11) Higher Dimensional Manipulation and Void Manipulation in her EoS Key: Similar reasoning only that the creators can create higher dimensional non-existent beings such as the hound via their abilty to create stories which she also possess at the end of the series since she became a Creator God herself.
12) Possibly Resistance Negation: By extension of Sirius having it who was able to bypass Altair's Resistances to Power Nullification as well as Concept Manip and null her initially prior to using the 66th Movement, Altair should have this too considering they share the same conceptual set of powers AKA The Holopsicon
13) Possibly Reactive Evolution: She was able to gain a Resistance and Break out of Selesia's Power Null even tho she was nullified by it initially Episode 18 and Episode 19. She also got affected by Sirius's resistance neg, power null, and concept hax but at the very last moment she not only developed Resistances to all of them but also took over Sirius in Episode 20. This is also consistent considering she was truly affected thrice by any character's Hax and in two of those situations (The ones I mentioned) she did this. The only other one was Sirius erasing her and Altair Regenerating back again.
For Selesia
1) Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation: The Concept of Hachimon Tonko, which was used to attack Altair's Concept itself in the attack called "Ionion Aphoria", was a powerful force from Selesia's world/story which had the power to warp 3000 worlds
For Everyone
1) Type 4 Acausality: They were stated to be seperated from the Yoke of their Story where Yoke was explicitely used to refer to Causality many times in the Series
Resistance
1) Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3): The Border World Colleseum or the Birdcage was created by the Creators and Meteora for months to completely trap Altair in it by pinning her sphere of influence. However, Was stated to have the power to destroy the Birdcage if she were to go full power using the Holopsico and as Altair 2.0/Sirius Reborn she was capable of collapsing the birdcage where the Birdcage was sustained by a Concept that Altair was going to dissapear. Furthermore, Altair outright survived the attack of Selesia's Ionion Aphoria and was trapped in the Infinite space but still managed to get out.
2) Resistance to Subjective Reality: Was completely unaffected by the attempts of the Creators to affect her where said Creators could easily create worlds out of their imaginations and can even affect characters from those worlds in the verse.
3) Resistance to Information Analysis: Meteora was capable of demonstrating Info Analysis in Episode 2 when she stated her Magic Book can easily analyse the laws, structure,etc of the Real World but completely failed to analyse Altair during the Border World Colleseum Birdcage event.
4) Resistance to Resistance Negation: Overcame and Resisted Sirius's resistance negation which was able to bypass Altair's Resistances to Power Nullification as well as Concept Manip and null her initially prior to using the 66th Movement
Tiering
So there's some confusion on what her tiering should be. Tbh here's some stuffs which might help.
1) Meteora states that the worlds could have existed as independent separate worlds but later points out that the Creators were the one who created all of the worlds as possiblities from their imaginations, but throughout the story everyone from Meteora to Altair, consistently refer to the fact that the real world created all of the worlds and controls all of their Narrative Causality. While it's cool and all, one thing is certain that the storyworlds exist parallel to each other as of now.
2) Here's the complex part, one of the storyworlds as well as it's different versions (aka Timelines due to number of copies made as well as the different types of media it was shown i) is that of the Hounds of Tindalos, creatures from the Lovecraftian story who transcend the 4th Dimension or time and come from "Angled Time" or a higher dimensional level than the Universe. Now I'm sure people will say But how can you cross scale verses when it's not allowed. Pretty simple, I don't have to. The entire story of the Hounds IS LITERALLY A PART OF THE RE:C VERSE AND ITS PROOF IS GIVEN TO THE POINT EVEN QUOTATIONS FROM THE STORY ALONG WITH THE AUTHOR'S NAME (Frank Belknap Long) IS GIVEN IN THE VERSE AS WELL AS THE CREATURE BEING SHOWN ON SCREEN SUMMONED BY MAGANE KILLING A SHOPKEEPER IN THE REAL WORLD. The Guidebook even goes to greater lengths explaining this as well as the fact that The Hounds can Transcend all of Time and Space which is consistent with the Original Story
3) Now it's pretty clear that a 5D realm and it's multiple versions exist in the Storyworlds Multiverse which makes the real world at least 5D itself in structure for creating them from mere imaginations as well as viewing them as fictio implying they exist on a higher level than the rest of the Storyworlds. So how is this relevant again to Altair exactly??? Base Altair was passively warping the principles of Cause and Effect of the real world with her mere existence. Moreover, EoS Altair created a Universe parallel to the Real World and stated that she could create an Infinite stories for Setsuna implying she's at least High 2-A. One thing should be mentioned is that NOWHERE, and I mean, NOWHERE is it mentioned that it'll take her an infinite amount of time or that it'll take her an eternity to create infinite universes. Even the Guidebook itself states that both Altair and Setsuna is capable of Creating Infinite worlds and stories in the creation (English Translation). Nothing about taking an Infinite amount of time was stated. Moreover, Altair even stated that she'll create a Universe inside another world in another story referring to the creation of a layered Universe.
So Tl;Dr, EoS Altair should be At least High 2-A instead of At least Low 2-C
Possible Rebuttals for her Tiering
1) Humans can't exist in 5D and neither are Re:C humans higher dimensional
They're just 3D that's all but the world they live in is structured in 5D and being so info dense and Multi-Layered that it allows them to create multiple parallel worlds. And no. Its fiction. If a human wants to exist in a higher dimensional universe then he can, inside a fictional verse that is. There's a lot of verses where regular 3D humans went to and existed in higher dimensions perfectly fine. One thing we have to remember is that none of the fictional writers give a crap about Real Life scientific theories or hypotheses. Their verses don't necessarily follow scientific stuffs all the time. In their verse anything can happen.
2) Altair stated she will take forever to create Infinite Stories & Worlds for Setsuna
No she didn't and nothing proves as such. What she referred to was how Setsuna would live forever with her. The term was not at all used in the sentence and was used in a completely different context.
3) Altair can't create an infinite universes unless she's shown to do so
Cool. That's like the most basic form of a poor argument which was used to low-ball verses like DBZ. If you go by that logic then a many Charas in the wiki would lose their ratings since they have their current tiers via statements or scaling but no feats.
Powers and Abilities
For Altair
1) Broadway Force: Made the minions dance to her tunes when she duplicated them in Ep 12 from 12:40 to 23:00
2) Deconstruction: Has deconstructed Selesia's things as a side effect of her 9th movement before they automatically got erased such as Selesia's Vogelchevalier or Sho's Bayard
3) Empowerment: She literally gets powered up when people support her or if anyone who perceives her thinks she's strong or unbeatable or invincible
4) Self-Sustenance (Type 1, 2, & 3): Being a type 1 abstract with non-corporeality, she should have all of these
5) Subjective Reality: Very obvious one. Holopsicon grants her this.
6) Text Manipulation: Can manipulate Texts in devices for example in Ep 1 just before she transported Sota or in Ep 21 when she was united with Setsuna finally
7) Time Manipulation (Can Slow Down Time): In Ep 21 from 15:07 to 16:20 she slowed down Time to delay the impact of the train on Setsuna. She can even hold a minute long conversation within the time the train tried to cover a distance of a few meters
8) Weapon Creation: Can create weapons such as her Swords or Sub-Machine Gun
9) Passive Plot Manipulation: Passively Hijacked the Birdcage/Border World Colleseum's story into her own story to boost her powers thereby trolling Meteora and the Creators big time
10) Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation in her EoS Key: At the end of the series, Altair becomes a creator herself through the amped powers of the Audience and is stated to be God which is equivalent to the creators in the Real World who can create concepts like Selesia's Ionion Aphoria. As such, she should get the ability too.
11) Higher Dimensional Manipulation and Void Manipulation in her EoS Key: Similar reasoning only that the creators can create higher dimensional non-existent beings such as the hound via their abilty to create stories which she also possess at the end of the series since she became a Creator God herself.
12) Possibly Resistance Negation: By extension of Sirius having it who was able to bypass Altair's Resistances to Power Nullification as well as Concept Manip and null her initially prior to using the 66th Movement, Altair should have this too considering they share the same conceptual set of powers AKA The Holopsicon
13) Possibly Reactive Evolution: She was able to gain a Resistance and Break out of Selesia's Power Null even tho she was nullified by it initially Episode 18 and Episode 19. She also got affected by Sirius's resistance neg, power null, and concept hax but at the very last moment she not only developed Resistances to all of them but also took over Sirius in Episode 20. This is also consistent considering she was truly affected thrice by any character's Hax and in two of those situations (The ones I mentioned) she did this. The only other one was Sirius erasing her and Altair Regenerating back again.
For Selesia
1) Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation: The Concept of Hachimon Tonko, which was used to attack Altair's Concept itself in the attack called "Ionion Aphoria", was a powerful force from Selesia's world/story which had the power to warp 3000 worlds
For Everyone
1) Type 4 Acausality: They were stated to be seperated from the Yoke of their Story where Yoke was explicitely used to refer to Causality many times in the Series
Resistance
1) Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3): The Border World Colleseum or the Birdcage was created by the Creators and Meteora for months to completely trap Altair in it by pinning her sphere of influence. However, Was stated to have the power to destroy the Birdcage if she were to go full power using the Holopsico and as Altair 2.0/Sirius Reborn she was capable of collapsing the birdcage where the Birdcage was sustained by a Concept that Altair was going to dissapear. Furthermore, Altair outright survived the attack of Selesia's Ionion Aphoria and was trapped in the Infinite space but still managed to get out.
2) Resistance to Subjective Reality: Was completely unaffected by the attempts of the Creators to affect her where said Creators could easily create worlds out of their imaginations and can even affect characters from those worlds in the verse.
3) Resistance to Information Analysis: Meteora was capable of demonstrating Info Analysis in Episode 2 when she stated her Magic Book can easily analyse the laws, structure,etc of the Real World but completely failed to analyse Altair during the Border World Colleseum Birdcage event.
4) Resistance to Resistance Negation: Overcame and Resisted Sirius's resistance negation which was able to bypass Altair's Resistances to Power Nullification as well as Concept Manip and null her initially prior to using the 66th Movement
Tiering
So there's some confusion on what her tiering should be. Tbh here's some stuffs which might help.
1) Meteora states that the worlds could have existed as independent separate worlds but later points out that the Creators were the one who created all of the worlds as possiblities from their imaginations, but throughout the story everyone from Meteora to Altair, consistently refer to the fact that the real world created all of the worlds and controls all of their Narrative Causality. While it's cool and all, one thing is certain that the storyworlds exist parallel to each other as of now.
2) Here's the complex part, one of the storyworlds as well as it's different versions (aka Timelines due to number of copies made as well as the different types of media it was shown i) is that of the Hounds of Tindalos, creatures from the Lovecraftian story who transcend the 4th Dimension or time and come from "Angled Time" or a higher dimensional level than the Universe. Now I'm sure people will say But how can you cross scale verses when it's not allowed. Pretty simple, I don't have to. The entire story of the Hounds IS LITERALLY A PART OF THE RE:C VERSE AND ITS PROOF IS GIVEN TO THE POINT EVEN QUOTATIONS FROM THE STORY ALONG WITH THE AUTHOR'S NAME (Frank Belknap Long) IS GIVEN IN THE VERSE AS WELL AS THE CREATURE BEING SHOWN ON SCREEN SUMMONED BY MAGANE KILLING A SHOPKEEPER IN THE REAL WORLD. The Guidebook even goes to greater lengths explaining this as well as the fact that The Hounds can Transcend all of Time and Space which is consistent with the Original Story
3) Now it's pretty clear that a 5D realm and it's multiple versions exist in the Storyworlds Multiverse which makes the real world at least 5D itself in structure for creating them from mere imaginations as well as viewing them as fictio implying they exist on a higher level than the rest of the Storyworlds. So how is this relevant again to Altair exactly??? Base Altair was passively warping the principles of Cause and Effect of the real world with her mere existence. Moreover, EoS Altair created a Universe parallel to the Real World and stated that she could create an Infinite stories for Setsuna implying she's at least High 2-A. One thing should be mentioned is that NOWHERE, and I mean, NOWHERE is it mentioned that it'll take her an infinite amount of time or that it'll take her an eternity to create infinite universes. Even the Guidebook itself states that both Altair and Setsuna is capable of Creating Infinite worlds and stories in the creation (English Translation). Nothing about taking an Infinite amount of time was stated. Moreover, Altair even stated that she'll create a Universe inside another world in another story referring to the creation of a layered Universe.
So Tl;Dr, EoS Altair should be At least High 2-A instead of At least Low 2-C
Possible Rebuttals for her Tiering
1) Humans can't exist in 5D and neither are Re:C humans higher dimensional
They're just 3D that's all but the world they live in is structured in 5D and being so info dense and Multi-Layered that it allows them to create multiple parallel worlds. And no. Its fiction. If a human wants to exist in a higher dimensional universe then he can, inside a fictional verse that is. There's a lot of verses where regular 3D humans went to and existed in higher dimensions perfectly fine. One thing we have to remember is that none of the fictional writers give a crap about Real Life scientific theories or hypotheses. Their verses don't necessarily follow scientific stuffs all the time. In their verse anything can happen.
2) Altair stated she will take forever to create Infinite Stories & Worlds for Setsuna
No she didn't and nothing proves as such. What she referred to was how Setsuna would live forever with her. The term was not at all used in the sentence and was used in a completely different context.
3) Altair can't create an infinite universes unless she's shown to do so
Cool. That's like the most basic form of a poor argument which was used to low-ball verses like DBZ. If you go by that logic then a many Charas in the wiki would lose their ratings since they have their current tiers via statements or scaling but no feats.
