Puella Magi Discussion Thread VII: Waiting for Main Story Chapter 10

[RKGenki]

There you go

 

[SomebodyData]

@Monarch I seeeeee, link me his pain.

@Everyone So is there any consensus on what the ratings shoulf be? I don't mind upgrading them based on Patricia or downgrading them due to outlier/invalidation of pocket realities as a whole, as long as either option isn't contradictory.

Also, I'm starting to work on the Oktavia calc, not sure how I feel about it though.

 

[Kaltias]

I think that 7-C can stay, although they'd become baseline. It meets the size requirements.

I'm neutral about upgrading or downgrading, although imo it isn't particularly outlierish when stronger people have 6-C (Madoka) and 6-B (Tart) feats.

Invalidating pocket reality feats as a whole is a no from me.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

The only issue IMO is to how to calculate Patricia's barrier's size, if it's possible that is.

 

[SomebodyData]

Hmmm, well regardless of the method, it would still be in the tier 7-B thru 6-C range wouldn't it?

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

What do you mean by "regardless of the method"? Size is our only option, and the issue is with determining it. Slapping an arbitrary value like that is not very good IMO.

 

[SomebodyData]

Method to find size

Nah just wanna know the general range of results so we could determine if its an outlier ahead of time, saving us the trouble of trying to find an exact number.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Oh, I see.

Well, I wouldn't mind Kyoko going down to High 7-C if that's the case ovo

 

[Kaltias]

It's going to be 7-A/High 7-A unless the radius is ridiculously small

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

B-but Wal's own feats are only 7-B...

I know it was done by existing, but so was Patricia's barrier. But what do I know? lol

 

[Kaltias]

Doesn't really matter, Wal has 6-C scaling.

 

[SomebodyData]

I mean technically you're right. Only the barrier thing was directly meant to produce energy by the PM system, Walpurgis gives out that level of energy on a daily basis without actually even being there.

Though I do think Patricia is probably an outlier tbh, but there aren't any other feats to confirm that 100 percent

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

That's also ignoring the issue with Patricia's durability. If it's going to end up at Unknow then, well... we gotta search for something else, I guess.

 

[SomebodyData]

I feel like something is going on between you two, not sure if I should interfere...

 

[Kaltias]

Patricia's dura doesn't affect like, anything except Homura's bombs.

 

[Kaltias]

I feel like something is going on between you two, not sure if I should interfere...

?

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Patricia's dura doesn't affect like, anything except Homura's bombs.

So you're saying we're going to scale characters directly to Patricia's barrier? Otherwise I have no clue what you're getting at tbh

 

[Kaltias]

I mean that's what we already do.

We scale Madoka's AP from Patricia's because she deflected her attacks, Madoka's AP to Kyoko's dura, and so on

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Oh, okay. However, I still have a problem with scaling the barrier to her attacks. But if people are fine with it, I'll go along.

 

[Arrogant_Schmuck]

Zach hates PMMM

That why he's listed as Neutral on the verse page?

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

That why he's listed as Neutral on the verse page?

That probably happened after he got to know that there's a furry Madoka

 

[Arrogant_Schmuck]

According to the page's revision history Zach has only edited it once throughout its existence.

What has he said/done that makes y'all think he hates it? I'm not doubting it, just wondering.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

I was joking with my last reply, to be honest.

I don't really know, Monarch said that.

 

[Arrogant_Schmuck]

If you don't include ovo in your post how is anyone supposed to know you're joking /s

 

[SomebodyData]

@Arrogant Some people who dislike a franchise add themselves as neutral, generally to avoid being called bias by participating in threads from what I understand. The ones who do put themselves as opponents don't really try interacting with the verse. As for the hate thing, he's not very subtle about it tbh.

@Rebuble Maybe I can help with your problem, is there any particular reason why?

 

[Schnee_One]

Probably because he's said he dislikes the verse and downplays it a ton during certain threads

And Data isn't wrong, I do that myself for certain verses

 

[RKGenki]

New doppel from the second part of the Monogatari collab

"ÕÆ╝ ("Yugamu"?) (Master: Mayoi Hachikuji)

The Doppel of wandering astray. Its form is a lost cow. The master of this emotion wishes only to return to her mother's house. This Doppel, on the other hand, believes itself to be its master's true mother, and in order to protect its master from the cruel fate that awaits her, it creates many spatial vortexes in front of her to prevent her from returning home. Those unlucky enough to be caught in the vortexes will be trampled and killed by the Doppel, and will be destined to wander eternally between the realms of life and death."

 

[Kaltias]

I have no idea what this entails.

Some sort of resurrection negation maybe

 

[RKGenki]

It seems so

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Somebody call Agnaa over here

 

[SomebodyData]

Gee Shaft, how come the crossover characters that are never getting a profile get hax?

 

[Kaltias]

Btw I was thinking, we should probably remove Mid-Godly from Madoka (and possibly Homura, if she fits the requirements for type 1 abstract).

Mostly because they aren't really regenerating, it's more that they are never really hit unless it's conceptual stuff (That's not a downgrade btw, it's simply removing something redundant).

Also they get type 5 immortality. They are well past the point where conventional life and death apply

 

[RKGenki]

Ye, the LoC itself doesn't have mid-godly. Only Madoka's avatars (and even then, that'd be type 9)

Madoka should definitely get type 5. Unless someone wants to say that a law can conventionally die

Why did Homura lose type 5 again? I'm fairly sure she had it some time ago

 

[Kaltias]

Because we replaced it with type 3 via concept, but if she a type 1 abstract she'd regain it

 

[RKGenki]

I see

 

[SomebodyData]

Checks who kudo'd Kal's message Speak of the devil lol

Yeah sure, also don't they apply for Higher-Dimensional Existence?

 

[Kaltias]

Madoka and Homura, definitely.

UKG, not sure.

AoC, no

 

[ShiroEinzbern]

speaking of UKG doesn't she have some sort of "mind" or proper intelligence like Homu and Madoka?

 

[ShiroEinzbern]

and if she does she should have it (Higher-Dimensional Existence), she's the supposed "better" Madoka since witches are to be better than their magical girl forms, it's either she has the exact same ability or possible the "better" version of it

 

[SomebodyData]

Ye, its in her intelligence part.