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Superman gets glared.
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Pre-Crisis Superman vs Jiren
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I don 't get why we're saying that Jiren's Glare is so short in range. We list all his ki blasts and attacks as universal in range. His glare falls under that and we don't list it as shorter.
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It's not that his glare has short range, it's that the trees and foliage of Central Park block Jiren from visibly seeing Superman.TheC2 said:
If you can't see the opponent, then you can't glare.
So Jiren would just sense his opponent, and throw a Ki blast as he did with Kale.
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He can still sense him, though. Besides this also the fact that Jiren could just Danmaku the area.Warren Valion said:
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That's exactly what Jiren's win-con is in this match.TheC2 said:
Superman's win-con is looking for Jiren using his X-ray Vision and using his mind control.
Since we can't predict who does their win-con first, we say it is inconclusive.
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Ki is Life Energy.Xalatath said:
Superman is alive, then he has Ki - and Jiren can sense him.
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That is exactly how that works.Xalatath said:
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Ki/Chi/Qi exists in the DC Multiverse. In fact, there's a guy who has Superman's powers because he's infused with Superman's Qi.
So yeah, Superman has a ki signature.
So yeah, Superman has a ki signature.
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It's also VERY in-character for DB characters to be sensing Ki constantly when fighting. I'm certain that Jiren would sense Superman instantly whereas Superman would have to consciously choose to use X-Ray vision to track Jiren down.
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Superman is also far above baseline . So Jiren doesnt one shot. Superman is stronger more intelligent and outhaxes him really bad. Superman wins easily.
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How long is the scaling chain?Xalatath said:
Dragon Ball's is pretty massive.
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DB's Low 2-C scaling chain isn't that big. 3-A is pretty large but only a couple characters get to tier 2.
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Enraged MUI Goku >>>>>>>> LB Jiren >= MUI Goku >>>>>>> Full-power Base Jiren > 3rd UIO Goku > GoD >>>> Slight-portion-of-his-true-power Jiren > SSBKKx20 Goku = SSBE Vegeta > Toppo > Kefla > 2nd UIO Goku > Holding-back Jiren > UIO Goku > Zamasu, who is baseline.
Did I get it right?
Did I get it right?
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>Power that countered ring energy which destroyed every possible future but one
Isn't that...
Far above Low 2-C in general?
Isn't that...
Far above Low 2-C in general?
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See, I knew I wasn't the only one that thought something about that scan felt off.MrKingOfNegativity said:
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No pressure but this battle is basically Goku vs Superman but legal.
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If that's legitimate for making Superman 2-A then this is obviously going to be closed lmfao
I still think Jiren scales above Superman as a Low 2-C. A bare minimum Jiren would have to scale above 40x Low 2-C and that's not LB Jiren.
Jiren realistically scales into the hundreds or thousands of times baseline.
I still think Jiren scales above Superman as a Low 2-C. A bare minimum Jiren would have to scale above 40x Low 2-C and that's not LB Jiren.
Jiren realistically scales into the hundreds or thousands of times baseline.
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@KLOL: It does. Because it is. That's a feat of destroying several timelines, and in Supes' case, matching the energy that did so. That's at least 2-C, and may be even higher depending on context.
It might be an outlier however, although I'm not going to try and say for certain. I haven't bothered with Pre-Crisis DC in ages. (to the point that I remember far more about Post-Crisis than Pre-Crisis)
It might be an outlier however, although I'm not going to try and say for certain. I haven't bothered with Pre-Crisis DC in ages. (to the point that I remember far more about Post-Crisis than Pre-Crisis)
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Definitely an outlier IMHO, Superman really hasn't replicated feats like this multiple times unlike his normal Big-Bang feats.
AKA potential downgrade possible. Supes will still be Low 2-C, but via scaling to Superboy-Prime and the weakened Monitor.
AKA potential downgrade possible. Supes will still be Low 2-C, but via scaling to Superboy-Prime and the weakened Monitor.
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Does pre crisis scale to Monarch? Monarch beat 52 Low 2-C Captain Atoms at once.
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@SmashorTheMasculineMineta said:
~You're too slow~
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Beating 52 of something doesn't make you 52X times as strong as one of that thing. Not saying that's what you're saying, just saying.Wokistan said:
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I don't think Monarch even existed at the same time as Silver Age Superman.
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Honestly when does Whis call Jiren stronger than the GoDs? Knowing Whis' deductive ability how do we know he wasn't referring to full power Jiren?
That would line up with a serious Jiren being above GoD Toppo.
That would line up with a serious Jiren being above GoD Toppo.
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Well, that's based on how Captain Atom scales I guess. In DB if you are twice the power of someone you can curbstomp entire groups of people of that person's strength. Not sure how fighting groups of a particular power scales for other verses.
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Would this suffice?Assaltwaffle said:
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I recently rewatched that episode and Whis specifically says that Jiren is akin to a God of Destruction and then suspects that he may be the one to have surpassed the power of a Destroyer. I am referring to 110.
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