And they are fighting at equalised speed with Goku being able to boost his speed via Afterimage.
There you go, right there. Match wouldn't be allowed. You just argued that Goku prevents something purely through a speed amp that would otherwise be totally useless.
Anyway, Supes knows how strong he is and would do it right away so not much of an issue.
Can he phase through spacetime destruction? Or extradimensional attacks? Has he ever shown he can do that?
Probably? The Flash sure as shit has at some point or another, and it's the same technique.
Regardless no, nice try, Goku needs to prove he can hit someone whose entire atomic structure is untouchable. Absolutely isn't on me here to prove anything.
Shockwaves don't instantly destroy the macrocosm.
Dude. Goku isn't going to be destroying the planet let alone the universe. I'm not humoring this.
Also Hit doesn't have Intangibility in the manga
Oh, so Goku has absolutely no experience with this type of stuff then, even worse. Using the anime Hit as an example though, Goku tried blocking some of the intangible moves, that wouldn't work, Supes would just phase through his blocking and deflecting. Goku could obviously adapt afterward, but if he ****** up once to learn that, he already lost.
and in the anime Goku's aura reaches into his pocket dimension and destroys it.
Ok? How's that gonna affect Supes' atomic phasing. Also, wasn't Goku pulled INTO that dimension when he did that?
There is zero need for Goku to 'destroy all reality'. His target is right there. His shockwaves or spacetime destruction just needs to influence him.
Yeah there is? He isn't hitting Supes when he phases like The Flash. His spacetime and shockwaves won't be doing anything because they don't have the feats to. We're talking about the dude who couldn't even kill a ghost, same applies here, Goku actually needs feats of affecting Noncorporality and Intangibility. Do you see "Non-Physical Interaction" on his profile in regards to that?
We already saw in the Buu Saga that this can be localized and the Beerus Saga shows the shockwaves won't destroy the macrocosm instantly, it takes a few of them.
Yeah, they can be localized, but why would he do that? Goku doesn't even have experience with this in the manga, how would he even know? He almost never uses this, and even if he did, Supes has multiple methods of phasing, any one works really.
Drop the last bit, Goku will never go that far.
And you think Goku won't even consider doing that when he notices he can't hit Superman? Out of curiosity, is there any evidence that Superman can attack Goku while intangible? His profile doesn't seem to indicate that.
How would he? He'd have already been haxed by Supes, Supes won't sit around, he'd lead with whatever win condition he knows would work right away. All Supes needs to do is last like 1 second to do any of his hax, he knows how strong Goku, he's beyond smart enough.
And yeah, it's just like The Flash, they just solidify the relevant atoms on contact, though the prime example I can think of is actually a case where it ***** them over is when Batman notices the Reverse Flash standing on solid ground despite phasing, deducing the bottom atoms of his feet aren't phased, and thus stabs him there. Not at all an issue here though, Supes can fly, only needs to solidify the surface atoms of his fist on impact should he use contact-based hax, or can avoid that entirely and use long range hax, hax that doesn't require contact, or whatever.
Now multiply that by 12,500,000x.
Tien is above 12,500,000x stronger than Frieza goons brother. It's like High 4-C or something, against what, 5-Cs? Maybe 5-Bs?
I guarantee I can explain every single example.
Yeah "they arent killing just because so sometimes they dont".
Nor has anyone ever said Goku is a 'bloodlusted murderer'. We're saying he has shown he is willing to use his power to stomp Superman into the ground.
You've basically done nothing but say that for a few posts now.
If he's shown a willingness to just explode a guy he's willing to slap Superman to the ground.
Yes, because being told "hey this dude is ultra evil, he's actively trying to kill you and we cant **** around or the world will be destroyed", and said dude is also an asshole, is def the same.
Goku has no idea who the hell Superman is and Goku knew full well what was happening to Yakon.
Yeah? Except Goku can sense killing intent and malice last I checked. Supes obviously isn't going to be actively trying to kill, something Goku can pick up. You're arguing Goku would basically kill any stranger he fights just because, Goku might be an asshole, but he isn't Vegeta, who also wouldn't do that.
RoF Goku fought Beerus, Whis, Vegeta and Freeza at this point. And shortly after RoF he showed no real amazement over Botamo, Frost, Magetta and Cabba being 2-C. He isn't going to care in the slightest. Even Piccolo would scale to 2-C shortly after RoF via fighting Frost.
4 dudes. Botamo was a hack, Frost he actually did. Didn't fight Magetta, Cabba I'd wager he did. This is all ignoring the tournament setting, and the numerous times AFTER this he showed interest in characters. I'm sure Goku takes interest in Piccolo tbh, just not to the extent of the likes of Broly or Vegeta.
Now this is just being silly. Those Kiais aren't from someone 12,500,000x more powerful than them. And Goku has shown he will use them to instantly finish fights if his opponents don't interest him. It's not a single hit either, it's multiple currents of air slamming into his opponent near-instantly and its invisible.
Backpedaling. You said aura, kiai isn't aura.
Also them being invisible doesn't matter, Supes' senses are unparalleled, he'd know they're coming simply from displacement of whatever.
Uh...no? I'm not ignoring a literal example of Goku killing someone in the Buu Saga. Why are you so hellbent on him being this pacifist who never kills?
Oh he kills, never just because tho. Goku does not, without given reason, kill, just because, He simply doesn't. Supes isn't going to give him any reason, given Supes isn't trying to kill him either.
Goku doesn't have to 'aim' for Superman because those shockwaves are AoE and traverse the entire macrocosm of his verse in seconds.
Goku doesn't even use AOE like that normally what the hell? In fact he was actively trying to prevent that in that very instant. Goku's shockwaves aren't even planetary normally, he focuses that shit as to not cause unneeded destruction.
And Superman isn't going to be able to fly '2-3 dimensions away' or avoid the shockwaves because Goku is 12,500,000x stronger, can teleport and is speed equalised.
Speed equal would let him actually, he'd be moving at the same speed. Unless Goku amped, but, ya know, blitzing a dude who's above you normally via amps isn't allowed.
Teleportation has limits, it's 2-C.
Speed equalized, again, using amps to outspeed the normally faster character isnt allowed.
To iterate, I'm fairly certain we entered grace over 24 hours ago and it already ended before anyone else voted. So unless someone can contradict my vote tally this thread should already be concluded.
Grace needs a difference of 3 votes, and no new information must be at play.
Anyway, if Supes knows how strong Goku is, absolutely nothing prevents phasing, from there he can do whatever and he's smart enough to figure out whatever niche hax he has that would get him a win, even if it's roundabout.
