Possible android 17 upgrade?

[BUS73R998]

SPOILERS for episode 127 of dbs.


are we looking at a upgrade to high 3A or low 2-c? 17s self destruct basically = jirens blast. and he was able to withstand hits from jiren who powered up even more and was able to hold his own against a powered up jiren even if briefly. what do u guys think?

 

[Aeyu]

He damaged a full-powered Jiren, who was shown even when massively suppressed to be able to keep up with objects he could not see. He was able to null Jiren's blast, fight on par or at least comparably to Goku + Vegeta, and was able to hold his own. He also, while being inferior to Toppo, was able to hold his own against him too to some degree. I definitely think a Low 2-C argument could be made in his favor.

 

[BUS73R998]

Yes sorry i forgot the point where was able to damage Jiren which noone has been able to do so far.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

If 17 becomes Low 2-C, would anyone else scale to him?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Low 2-C 17 is the worst thing of this entire arc. I am against it.

 

[Aeyu]

No, this would be an isolated case. Kefla doesn't scale to him and neither does Anilaza.

Although this might support the previous "Possibly Low 2-C" argument people wanted to make for the latter.

 

[BUS73R998]

The reason 17 was not able to damage Toppo was probably because he was surrounding himself with the energy of destruction so toppo wasnt even getting hit by his blasts. Jiren didnt have that energy around him so his blast worked on jiren and basically wounded him according to the u11 Kai.

 

[Aeyu]

@Matt

How does it not make sense? The guy literally damaged a full-powered Jiren and could keep up with Vegeta and Goku when they were attacking him.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It has 0 sense. He couldn't withstand Toppo the episode before, and has consistently been much, much weaker the lesser episodes. Super Saiyan Blue level 17 is outlierish. Ultra Instinct is just ********.

17 is probably Base Goku to Super Saiyan Goku level. No higher.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

17 just got these feats cause it was his last episode and they wanted some relevance for him. It makes 0 sense.

 

[Schnee_One]

DB Scaling broke Matt

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

It's PIS.

 

[Aeyu]

>outlier

It would have been one thing if he only did one thing. But he kept up with and pushed Jiren back the whole episode, and even damaged him. People were already talking about him possibly scaling to Toppo last week, since he was, while weaker than said Toppo, able to contend with him to some degree and didn't get one-shotted like Freeza.

>base to SSJ Goku

Okay, that's definitely not true. Even SSJB Goku can't damage Jiren at all.

 

[BUS73R998]

what do you mean he couldnt withstand toppo the episode before? toppo was just spamming hakai everywhere and he was able to keep up but he couldnt damage toppo because of the destruction energy around him.

 

[Joseph619]

The only way to make sense in super in cheery pick certain feats which appear to be reasonable, but are entirely subjective opinion

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

I'm also kind of iffy on making #17 a solid Low 2-C.

Maybe with his barrier but im not sure.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Not even with his barrier. His barrier was never shown before to withstand powers infinitely higher than himself.

Also 3-A 18 is done by cherry picking.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Okay, that's definitely not true. Even SSJB Goku can't damage Jiren at all.

And 17 is weaker than SSJB Goku. His one hit against Jiren was when he had his guard down, took him by surprise. And it is a humongous outlier that should be ignored.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This is like saying Sorbet is 3-A for lasering Goku.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Also Jiren casually punched through like... 30 of 17's barriers consecutively.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Jiren letting his guard down almost seems like a throwback to the laser hiting RoF Goku incident. Maybe that's the case here.

 

[BUS73R998]

How is 17 weaker than SSB goku when he forced goku to go into SSB and fought evenly with him while both were suppressed. And if he was weaker than SSJB goku then how was he able to go through anilazas barrier and destroy his core if his attack potency is not even 3a? anilaza was taking on all of u7 easily. ur just hating now lmao sorry to say i guess this episode hurt ur feelings.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Goku was suppressed. He was awed like everyone else by Super Saiyan Blue Goku multiple times in the tournament.

His attack potency is 3-A but lower scale.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I can see him being g low 2-C via self destruction but not for his general ap

 

[TheRustyOne]

Sorry Matt but 17 is clearly SSB level and it doesn't matter how you feel.

17 hurt Toppo, Anilaza, and is comparable to Golden Frieza as they both took Toppo on.

His barrier was able to withstand GoD Toppo's attacks without instantly breaking.

He might be Low 2-C with Self Destruction but I don't care about that.

 

[Aeyu]

@Matt

You've even said yourself that DB as well as most fiction don't treat 3-A to Low 2-C as being infinite.

I still think you can somewhat scale him based off him fighting competently alongside Goku and Vegeta and keeping up with them.

As well as his final barrier negating that last attack

What about High 3-A? Even Goku's SSJB form is Low 2-C at this point.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Hey don't be rude.

 

[BUS73R998]

in this episode u saw him trade blows with jiren who powered up. his barrier on goku and vegeta protected them from the blast as well. and his self destruct basically = jirens blast. how is this still 3a ? they're all low 2c. u saw frieza get whooped in 1 second by jiren. when 17 pushed vegeta away and took a head on blow from jiren he still got up.

 

[LordAizenSama]

Seems fine

 

[TheRustyOne]

I think the staff should discuss this and not regular members.

(Exclud\ing people like Aeyu)

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

No to High 3-A. Further no to Low 2-C.