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you ,flower man or blue fish guy are more knowledgeable in presenting the arguments for the upgrade .This revision is just to waive off IZ's scaling.
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Massive Dragon Ball Super Scaling Revision
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Got a point there, hey flower man you mind making another CRT?
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Blue fish guy lol.
I personally think it's best to scale merged zamasu and blue vegito to infinite zamasu then scale jiren off of shins statement to that, while at full power he'd scale to the GoDs. Since scaling his suppressed state to the GoDs will lead to scaling inconsistencies.
I personally think it's best to scale merged zamasu and blue vegito to infinite zamasu then scale jiren off of shins statement to that, while at full power he'd scale to the GoDs. Since scaling his suppressed state to the GoDs will lead to scaling inconsistencies.
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????
Whis OPENLY SAID that the same heavily restrained Jiren who pushed back the Spirit Bomb was the one who was >= a GoD. I mean, it's not like Goku was even comparable to restrained Jiren without UI.
IIRC statements from data and other stuff say his full power simply surpasses the God's of Destruction.
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Ok.
Can u make another CRT ?
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Everybody including frieza ,android 17 ,SSB vegeta and goku and many others will become God of Destruction level which is inconsistent to the narrative of the story.
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HOW??
None of them even matched heavily restrained Jiren.
NO ONE DID.
Sigh
Just look at the "Jiren" section of this video (from 0:47 to 6:00):
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Suppressed Jiren scales massively above those people,wth are you guys saying?
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Then how did Frieza , Android 17 ,SSB vegeta and goku ,Toppo and others get their Low 2-C ratings ??
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Toppo is Rated Low 2-C because he is superior to Golden Frieza and 17 as stated on his profile , 17 is Low 2-C with self destruct. SSB goku is Low 2-C by scaling to Jiren.
I guess At-least Low 2-C for base jiren could work by changing the justification of other characters.
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By scaling above UI -Sign- Goku from 109/110...
...who scales to a suppressed Jiren-
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That's an indirect way of scaling to suppressed jiren ,since frieza ,17 and SSB vegeta ,Toppo never fought UI-sign-Goku.
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Yeah if suppressed Jiren is half 2-C, every other Low 2-C in or after the ToP is too (or higher).
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Make Vegito Blue and Merged Zamasu Low 2-C
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Jiren could just be a higher level of Low 2-C, since Toppo=GoD and Restrained Jiren > GoD
We can keep Low 2-C for 17 since it was only self destruct and remove it for SSB Goku but keep it for SSJBE Vegeta
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This is not how scaling works on vsbw ig. His base for some reason is only IZ level.
Every Other character who is rated Low 2-C is only IZ level Low 2-C
Toppo is not considered GoD Level on the wiki Check on his profile ,otherwise he would be Half 2-C
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Toppo was stated in SSBE Vegeta's profile to be equal to a GoD (otherwise why would he be Low 2-C in the first place when Golden Frieza and 17 are only 3-A).
If Toppo and thus SSBE Vegeta are equal to a GoD, this still puts restrained Jiren above them.
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No they are scaled not scaled to GoD ,they are somehow scaled to UI-sign-goku who is scaled to suppressed Jiren.
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Then just remove that scaling.
It was only the 3rd UI Sign that really matched Jiren anyways.
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The point of discussion at the should be that either make vegito blue and Merged Zamasu Low 2-C based off akm sama's reasoning
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Make Base Jiren GoD level (i.e Atleast Low 2-C)
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Make Base Jiren GoD level (i.e Atleast Low 2-C)
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Sign 1 Goku was swapping hands with suppressed jiren.
Post sign 2 SSB Goku was also swapping hands with jiren and forced him to use more power than before.
SSB vegeta pressured jiren and forced him to use more power than against Goku and his final flash made jiren block, who was previously tanking attacks from sign 1 Goku in his more suppressed state.
SSB Goku proceeded to force jiren to get serious and belmod stated that jiren is starting to show "a hint his true power", with Goku stating that he's never been hit by such a strong attack before further proving that jiren is slowly using more power.
Jiren was being pressured by SSBE Vegeta and SSBK20 Goku then he released his triple aura and proceeded to bully them.
This all proves that goku and co scale above 109-110 suppressed jiren making it unfeasible for him to scale above the Gods because it contradicts things like broly only being above beerus at full power. Or it making GoD toppo slap all the other GoDs when he is literally just a candidate. Or jiren being implied to still be comparable to the gods or beerus being portrayed as impressive by Goku and vegeta.
Whis' statement also doesn't refer to jiren as more powerful than jiren at the exact moment. He just confirms the rumor which could still work if jiren was only above the GoDs at full power.
The scaling will not change.
Post sign 2 SSB Goku was also swapping hands with jiren and forced him to use more power than before.
SSB vegeta pressured jiren and forced him to use more power than against Goku and his final flash made jiren block, who was previously tanking attacks from sign 1 Goku in his more suppressed state.
SSB Goku proceeded to force jiren to get serious and belmod stated that jiren is starting to show "a hint his true power", with Goku stating that he's never been hit by such a strong attack before further proving that jiren is slowly using more power.
Jiren was being pressured by SSBE Vegeta and SSBK20 Goku then he released his triple aura and proceeded to bully them.
This all proves that goku and co scale above 109-110 suppressed jiren making it unfeasible for him to scale above the Gods because it contradicts things like broly only being above beerus at full power. Or it making GoD toppo slap all the other GoDs when he is literally just a candidate. Or jiren being implied to still be comparable to the gods or beerus being portrayed as impressive by Goku and vegeta.
Whis' statement also doesn't refer to jiren as more powerful than jiren at the exact moment. He just confirms the rumor which could still work if jiren was only above the GoDs at full power.
The scaling will not change.
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Whis literally says "It appears the rumor is true", showing that Whis believes that the Jiren who was pushing the SB back was the one who supassed the GoD's.
How would it contradict Broly being above Beerus?
And Jiren still demolished SSB Goku. He took zero damage from Goku or Vegeta.
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ToP relative Scaling was never an issue.
The Problem is Jiren's scaling with Infinite Zamasu
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Did you see my comment up there, flower man?
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They are already God of destruction level since they scale above the likes of Toppo and probably belmond. But not beerus level yet.
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I missed the part where Jiren becomes stronger than Infinite Zamasu
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Belmod =/= Beerus in terms of AP.
Toppo =/= Suppressed Jiren in terms of AP
God of Destructions > Destroyer Toppo or Suppressed Jiren
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Not necessarily. He could confirm the rumor and figure out jiren's full power by only seeing his suppressed state.
Because goku said "you're probably stronger than Beerus". The gap between SS green broly and sign 1 Goku (who is using your logic stronger than beerus) is massive, like thousands of times. Goku still considers beerus to be impressive despite the fact that he would whoop him in SSB using this scaling.
Because he's constantly increasing his power to over power them. The only time he lowered his guard he got tagged and scratched by 17 when he still wasn't at full power, and Goku and vegeta whoop 17. The fact that he's been stated and shown to be getting stronger proves that Goku and vegeta have been surpassing his previous suppressions.
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Agreed
Toppo= baseline God of destruction level.
Jiren> Toppo
Jiren > Belmond
This should justify the rumours of jiren being stronger G.O.D level. However I don't he is beerus level but I guess that is debatable.
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When Goku made this statement I don't think he was fully aware of Beerus's full power.
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He fought someone who was stated verbatim in front of him to be stronger than beerus.
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Jiren?
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**** this bunk ass scaling inconsistency
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This wasn't supposed to be a scaling inconsistency CRT 
Should probably be closed.
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