I don't see what problem was said goku and vegeta fighting together were a threat to bills there are even stronger statements broly bills
Previews are narrator statements. If they are contradicted, then you have an argument. If it's not, then it's just a fact.
If they did their statements of jiren's power being the strongest is itself contradictory.
(while punching jiren and acknowledging his durability).
(while facing the push-back of U-7 Genkidama)
From narrator's POV ,beerus was their strongest foe out of 4 arcs.
The "faced" statements are not affected by this fact.
His energy*.
It shouldn't. The previews are literally just narration of the events of the next episode. Do not, and I mean do not tell me the previews don't count because "they are for marketing".
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This is wrong. The distance between low 2-C to 2-C is unknown, we can't quantify it. But if we start at the end point, we can backtrack to the low 2-C part. Basically we can't know when we will reach 2-C starting from low 2-C but if we are already at baseline 2-C then all the previous is known to be low 2-C.
Not necessarily, you are still crossing over the gap between two Space-time Continuum with your power, difference is, you are not entirely destroying the second one with your power. It is still unquantifiably higher than Low 2-C, thus it makes no sense to rate it as such.
That is beyond goofy, you know damn well that Goku faced Beerus using an infinitesimally small amount of his power. Yes, literally everyone stronger than U6 Arc SSJ Goku is stronger than this version of Beerus.
I dunno, but Goku Blue damaging Merged Zamasu isn't, so...
I don't understand, how is it possible for a tier to exist without having a baseline? Regardless, backtracking from 2-C into low 2-C makes it unquantifiably above baseline low 2-C but quantifiably below 2-C. Which is why it's possible to go back into low 2-C from 2-C and go back up with multipliers. This is how it works in the wiki right now and would require a CRT to change.
I thought we couldn't multiply like that, since when I tried using a 120x multiplier for a 15-16 universe 2-C character to make them 2-B, it was considered an invalid multiplier.
Literally all in Tiers 2 and 1 don't have a "baseline", just concepts at which said Tiers are defined. You can call them baseline, but applying linear math is just weird.
Well a baseline that we can quantify was created and so we're using that.
This point is invalid. The reason Goku couldn't sense zeno's power is the same reason normal mortals can't sense Goku's power in God form or other gods
You're just talking out of point at this stage. You're forgetting the fundamentals of Dragonball which is everything is based on ki. Ki is life force/life energy/ battle power etc. His energy (ki) was what spread/affected space-time and that's what was being gauged. Your argument of "they can't comprehend IZ because he is 4D" is also invalid because that's now how things work in Dragonball. I also don't understand why you're bringing the likes of zeno into this because Goku and Co. never faced zeno and beerus's and champa's half 2-C feat hasn't been done. Only statements and interrupted scenes of them doing has happened. So yes Goku's and shin's statements are solid. Whis's statement is also solid.
By this logic Infinite Zamasu was also a god.
DB gets an exception in most of Hax based situations for example Vegeta resisting mind hax ,goku resisting time hax. where raw power becomes dominant but dimensionality is a different aspect ,Being X dimensional in not a Hax but rather a fundamental aspect of existence.
You know that scene just got an upgrade ,its now a feat rather than a statement ig. I brought Zeno because merely being in presence of divine entity shouldn't necessary mean one can comprehend his full power.
I know ,just trying to point the writing in DB , "faced" doesn't mean at full power.
Are you saying they can measure beerus's 4-D to some extent but not to full capacity ??
Both are 3-A so not much of an issue there ,whereas IZ vs the trio was a Low 2-C vs 3-A battle.
This is Akm sama's logic pointed out by flower man and agreed by a number of members.What do think of this ?
I mean in DBFZ Jiren does say that they're equal.
Ok, I just thought it was mediocre support...
You’re correct, however, it’s currently accepted that Beerus and Champa are Low 2-C because they each scale to half of baseline 2-C, so…
Ok, enough.
Inverse cube law + method of destruction standards, I shall not elaborate.
"All we know is that Beerus and Champa's combined power can destroy 2 universes. If you say Champa is almost equal to Beerus, that would still mean that their combined power could very well be 2 times higher than Beerus's own power. Why would we rate him possibly 2-C in that case? He would still be Low 2-C, just at the higher end of it."
It's weird, logically it doesn't really work. They are still unfathomably above Low 2-C.
Actually, this is a misconception but they don't scale to half 2-C. Beerus and champa's combined power scales to 2-C, so individually they down scale from that, but according to the sites multiplier rules, combined attacks do not scale linearly to the individuals. So they are actually unquantifiably below 2-C but simultaneously unquantifiably above low 2-C.
That's false. Refer to One Punch Man's Serious Punch Squared thread. Each scale to half the value, and it has always been like that. Same applied to MHA.
Because SSJ multipliers. If we have SSJ Blue Goku scaling to Jiren, then we can upscale him to 2-C.
4D to higher into 4D isn't something to be rejected.
i literally posted the quote that dictated their scaling two messages prior.
Akm is the one who told me that. This is it.
I don't think there is valid evidence for the exames you gave so they shpuld be downgraded.
SSB Goku doesn't scale to "at least low 2-C" and the GoDs. The scaling looks like this:
