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While I am closer to neutral since I am not fully familiar with the scaling but if there are no major PIS or inconsistencies there, I have no issues.
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While I am closer to neutral since I am not fully familiar with the scaling but if there are no major PIS or inconsistencies there, I have no issues.
Ok, fine by me I guessLeon would scale above rental Pokemon, Raihan is powerful enough to be a rival to him, Piers matched Raihan (albeit he lost), and Milo matched Piers in an exhibition match
So Champion Cup characters would be 2-B, likely 2-A
I think the difference is that the Isle of Armor and the Crown Tundra are active storylines that happen in Sw/Sh, much like how we consider postgame stories despite those technically being optional. So, I'm not fully sure on this. I'd wait for more inputSorry if this has been brought up before, but I just thought of it. If we’re counting optional events, could we scale Giovanni, the Kanto Elite Four, Champion Blue and End-Game Red to the legendary birds?
The keys seem fine, then.There are none, to my knowledge, especially as these are mostly endgame keys
Can somebody list all of the staff members who have helped out in this thread, so I can call for them, please?Made a sandbox compiling everything that was agreed upon, the only remaining points of contention seem to be if the Gen 1 characters can scale to the legendary birds.LordTracer/Pokemon Scaling
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I thought we agreed not to scale via facility. Places like the Battle Tree, Battle Tower and PWT have set power levels to put all Pokemon on an equal playing field. Even then, Cynthia would likely only scale to the other competitors in the champion tournament. We should also scale to mandatory battles (e.g. cover legendaries), so I'm unsure about the gen 8 character scaling.Let me know if I missed anyone else that this would scale to. I believe all of the characters with PWT keys would be 2-B, likely 2-A via scaling to Cynthia, but I’m not completely sure on that.
- Gen 2 Red and Blue become 5-B
- Gen 8 characters scale to 2-B, likely 2-A
Blue is still Red's rival after all these years. And I'm pretty sure in Gen 7 Blue is said to be comparable to RedGen 2 Red is via Mewtwo I suppose, not sure about Blue.
That’s why LordTracer said if we do, he himself isn’t proposing their usage, just unsure if we were using facilities or notI thought we agreed not to scale via facility. Places like the Battle Tree, Battle Tower and PWT have set power levels to put all Pokemon on an equal playing field. Even then, Cynthia would likely only scale to the other competitors in the champion tournament. We should also scale to mandatory battles (e.g. cover legendaries), so I'm unsure about the gen 8 character scaling.
Gen 2 Red is via Mewtwo I suppose, not sure about Blue.
The story progresses regardless of if you beat him or not, so it’s fineIsn't Peony a former champion though? It makes no sense to scale the player to him when they can do all of this before Gym 1
So what about the Island of Armor battle with Mustard? Another past Champion?The story progresses regardless of if you beat him or not, so it’s fine
Your first fight with him scales down to how many Gym Badges you have, and that’s just him testing you. Your actual fight with his champion level team can’t be done until your Kubfu evolves into Urshifu, which requires getting Kubfu to level 70So what about the Island of Armor battle with Mustard? Another past Champion?
You can also do that before Gym 1
Ok so that's fine then, since by then you would likely already beat LeonYour first fight with him scales down to how many Gym Badges you have, and that’s just him testing you. Your actual fight with his champion level team can’t be done until your Kubfu evolves into Urshifu, which requires getting Kubfu to level 70
Yeah I think soDoes that settle your concerns then?
So about this...So have you reached any agreements here?
Everything in this blog has been agreed on I believe, in addition to:Made a sandbox compiling everything that was agreed upon, the only remaining points of contention seem to be if the Gen 1 characters can scale to the legendary birds.LordTracer/Pokemon Scaling
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PWT and Battle Tree keys will not be made due to them equalizing strength
Okay. That should probably be sufficient. Thank you for the information.Myself, Elizhaa, LordTracer, and GyroNutz (GyroNutz is unsure about the Gen 8 scaling but is fine with everything else. Everyone else has agreed to everything mentioned)
No 2-B/2-A Red brings me immense pain
No 2-B/2-A Red brings me immense pain
Hop sees no reason to disagree, these are all fine changes and clarify everything perfectly, as long as links are included to the referenced characters.What do you think about this?
Very well, just making sureThat’s why LordTracer said if we do, he himself isn’t proposing their usage, just unsure if we were using facilities or not
What are your concerns about the Gen 8 scaling? That was the main thing you said you were unsure ofVery well, just making sure
Why does Red scale to arceus?Aight I’m here. I’m still fully backing what I was saying prior. Gen 9 changes nothing for now. PWT/BT just gives every relevant person tier 2.
Also Gen 2 would get tier 2. Red fights Ethan after the Sinjoh Ruins event, giving Ethan Arceus avatar scaling (credits roll for the final time after Red, implying that it’s the last event for him).
The Sinjoh Ruins was a limited time event so I'm not sure how that would factor inAight I’m here. I’m still fully backing what I was saying prior. Gen 9 changes nothing for now. PWT/BT just gives every relevant person tier 2.
Also Gen 2 would get tier 2. Red fights Ethan after the Sinjoh Ruins event, giving Ethan Arceus avatar scaling (credits roll for the final time after Red, implying that it’s the last event for him).
I think we decided that events are canon and useable for scaling.The Sinjoh Ruins was a limited time event so I'm not sure how that would factor in