Overlord: Ainz's Tier

[TheOneBelowAll123]

Ainz also ordered albedo to move so she wouldnt be hit by negative burst which covered a very wide area, maybe it could give you a better idea of the distance

EDIT:Here is a video https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SelfishMeanIberianmole-mobile.mp4

 

[Jugger47]

In regards to the speed Assaltwaffle, you should have a look at the other things like shalltear easily blocking brains God Flash.

His blade cleared his sheath, slicing through the air at Shalltear.

There was a single word to describe the speed of this movement — lightning. By the time one saw it, one's head would have fallen, so quickly did it take place. After practicing millions of times, it was truly a divine flash.

I win.

As Brain thought that—

—He stared in shock.

The blow had missed. The strike into which he had poured his entire being had been evaded.

If that had happened, he might have been able to admit that he had met an unimaginably powerful opponent.

However—

Shalltear had caught it with her fingertips.

She had caught Brain's lightning-fast strike.

In addition, she held his blade gently, like one would the wings of a butterfly.

Brain could not help but pant heavily, as he felt the air seem to freeze around him.

"...Im-Impossible..."

Those nearly-inaudible words accompanied each gasp he made.

Brain struggled desperately to rein in the tremors within him, as the scene before his eyes utterly defied his expectations. However, it was an undeniable fact that there were two of Shalltear's ivory fingers upon the body of his blade — her thumb and her forefinger.

More than that, she had not seized his blade from the front, but hooked her arm around the swing to catch it from behind. Without once entering the path of the strike, she had caught up with the speed of the katana — with the speed of his ÒÇîGod FlashÒÇì.

And Ainz has to be comparable to Shalltear to put up a fight in mele. I know you only watched the anime but the Light Novel takes precedence over the show, as it is the source.

Also moves like Fourfold Slash of Light are already faster than the human eye and Shalltear and even the battle maids can easily see it and block it.

Which is I imagine why characters like Ainz and Shalltear are placed at hypersonic while characters like brain are subsonic. Although characters like the battle maids are in the completely wrong tier lol. I don't know how they are 9-A like Brain XD, seems absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Jugger47]

I feel like I have to make this a comment on its own.

Brain Unglaus and Narberal Gamma are both 9-A....

Let that sink in

We got to fix that shit. Excuse my french.

 

[TheOneBelowAll123]

The overlord profiles have many problems, but at lest the verse has consistent subsonic and supersonic feats, although 9-A battle maids just seems wrong.

I am just wondering if the video i provided helped Assaltwaffle figure out the distance so albedos feat gives some better results.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

9-A maids absolutely wrong.

Unfortunate we see the distance between her and Ainz as she takes her first step, so the distance she hops back from Negative Burst doesn't matter.

As for the lightning speed, unfortunately we basically can't accept it. The attack doesn't involve lightning and is only described to be lightning-fast. Without supporting evidence that is likely just flowery language; it is also hundreds of times faster than anything else in the series.

 

[Jugger47]

As for the lightning speed, unfortunately we basically can't accept it. The attack doesn't involve lightning and is only described to be lightning-fast. Without supporting evidence that is likely just flowery language; it is also hundreds of times faster than anything else in the series.

I'm not argueing for light speed but for the floor guardians speed to stay the same. Its quite evident they are atleast hypersonic.

Chapter 3

"Hmph, aren't you getting something wrong? Do you think someone like you can defeat me — defeat Ainz Ooal Gown? The name of 'Ainz Ooal Gown' is invincible. Shalltear, you will kneel in submission before me."

"Ahahahaha! Ooooh, how scary~"

Moving with a speed which put gales to shame, Shalltear charged, wreathed in bloodlust. The scorched ground exploded beneath her feet with every step she took. Clementine's assaults were swift, but Shalltear's speed was in a class of her own.

........

As Shalltear thrust the Spuit Lance at lightning speed, she once more beheld a startling sight.

........


The clashes of metal against metal rang out continuously, the interval between them less than a tenth of a second. Shalltear's continuous attacks lashed at Ainz like a storm.

However, Ainz neatly blocked them, with unimaginable speed. So skillful was he that it seemed that he could stand beneath a great waterfall and not get wet. As he effortlessly blocked the attacks against him, he continued: (citing this just to show that Ainz can keep up with shalltear)

.........

A tornado, one hundred meters high and fifty meters across appeared before him. The black funnel cloud engulfed the bats before they could flee, trapping them within the vortex.

Fast-swimming shapes could be seen within the rapidly-spinning tornado. These creatures were six meter long sharks, and they moved as though they were in the ocean. The desperately fleeing bats were like bait which had been dropped into the water, and the sharks sprang on them. This spell showed its true potency against flying creatures, and the proof of that was adequately shown as the sharks ripped the Elder Vampire Bats limb from limb in an instant.

Just as the Vampire Bats were vanishing after being torn apart — a shadow broke free of the tornado.

It was a crimson shadow(shalltear), bursting out of the tornado at top speed. The lance it thrust before itself left an afterimage in the onlookers' eyes, like the fiery plume of a rocket.(

.......

There are countless quotes like this throught the novels.

 

[TheOneBelowAll123]

Supersonic+ overlord then, not bad for a verse with so few speed feats.

We should probably go around making the changes, ainz and shalltear should be back at 6-C while the maids should be around 7-B sense they are comparable to evileye, dominion authority and that frost dragon who have all been stated to be city destroyers.

If those statements are not enough to give for them to be 7-B then just upgrade them to 8-C sense the difference in power between them and brain is way to big for them to be on the same tier.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I think 7-B for the maids works. Entoma is the weakest maid and she only lost because of a spell directly designed to counter her species.

However I don't think Brain and Gazef are comparable at all. 9-A is probably where they will stick for now.

 

[TheOneBelowAll123]

As for the lightning speed, unfortunately we basically can't accept it. The attack doesn't involve lightning and is only described to be lightning-fast. Without supporting evidence that is likely just flowery language; it is also hundreds of times faster than anything else in the series.

I'm not argueing for light speed but for the floor guardians speed to stay the same. Its quite evident they are atleast hypersonic.

Unfortunatly the only good speed feats they have are supersonic+ so they should not be higher than that.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

What would Brain be with Nail Clipper?

 

[Jugger47]

This seems the most convicing to me

Once he combined these two martial arts, the ÒÇîFieldÒÇì which guaranteed a hit and the ÒÇîGod FlashÒÇì that struck at divine speed, there was no way anyone could avoid being slain in one blow, with speeds such that even before the light can enter one's vision, the target's head would already be falling to the ground.

Shalltear easily blocked that attack.

 

[TheOneBelowAll123]

I think 7-B for the maids works. Entoma is the weakest maid and she only lost because of a spell directly designed to counter her species.
However I don't think Brain and Gazef are comparable at all. 9-A is probably where they will stick for now.

I meant the maids not brain, he should probably stay at 9-A, if those statements are not enough to upgrade the maids to 7-B just put them at 8-C sense they are ridiculously stronger than brain.

So when are we gona start making the changes?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

This seems the most convicing to me

Once he combined these two martial arts, the ÒÇîFieldÒÇì which guaranteed a hit and the ÒÇîGod FlashÒÇì that struck at divine speed, there was no way anyone could avoid being slain in one blow, with speeds such that even before the light can enter one's vision, the target's head would already be falling to the ground.

Shalltear easily blocked that attack.

Well that's actually a really descriptive paragraph. Just a second.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I'm asking some others what they think of it. That's a crazy fast feat if it is accepted.

 

[Jugger47]

Np this is the full quote on that I sorta combined the two.

The speed was like a flash of lightning. So fast that by the time the light had entered your vision, your head would already be falling to the ground. Millions of repetitions had finally resulted in a speed that entered the realm of the gods.

I got her.

Brain was certain--

--and couldn't help but widen his eyes.

The slash that cut through the air had all of his strength behind it. If she had managed to dodge, then he would have been forced to admit that an opponent stronger than even his wildest imagination had finally appeared before him.

However--

This was the result of God Flash + Field. Brain is a beast, and thats just brain.

I actually don't know the speed the others would be if they so easily block attacks like this.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Well lightning is one thing (hundreds of times faster than all other feats), and light is another (hundreds of thousands of times faster).

 

[Jugger47]

Well lightning is one thing (hundreds of times faster than all other feats), and light is another (hundreds of thousands of times faster).

Well that would explain the constant use of "faster than lightning" in the novels.

 

[TheOneBelowAll123]

Well lightning is one thing (hundreds of times faster than all other feats), and light is another (hundreds of thousands of times faster).

Is that feat really FTL?

From the way the attack is described, it just sounds like its faster than the eye can see, which would only be subsonic.

 

[DontTalkDT]

This seems the most convicing to me
Once he combined these two martial arts, the ÒÇîFieldÒÇì which guaranteed a hit and the ÒÇîGod FlashÒÇì that struck at divine speed, there was no way anyone could avoid being slain in one blow, with speeds such that even before the light can enter one's vision, the target's head would already be falling to the ground.

Shalltear easily blocked that attack.

I can't really judge for myself, but IIRC I read on the OBD that the translation of this scene is questionable.

Is this quoted from the official Yen Press translation?

 

[Jugger47]

Is that feat really FTL?

From the way the attack is described, it just sounds like its faster than the eye can see, which would only be subsonic.

When reading only the first part sure, but "before the light can enter one's vision, the target's head would already be falling to the ground." sounds faster than light.

 

[Jugger47]

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This is the raw for that line.

 

[TheOneBelowAll123]

That still isnt faster than light, the speed in which your brain can perceive photons is much slower than the photons themselves.

 

[Jugger47]

I can't really judge for myself, but IIRC I read on the OBD that the translation of this scene is questionable.

Is this quoted from the official Yen Press translation?

I don't use the offical translation as there are many, many mistakes and its quite known to be bad up to volume 5. For instance they called Shalltear a bunny(a rabbit sometimes too) instead of a vampire. They translate many things TOO literally, its really quite bad.

Calling the Black Scriptures "Sunlit Scripture."

 

[Jugger47]

That still isnt faster than light, the speed in which your brain can perceive photons is much slower than the photons themselves.

It sounds like to me its saying before the light can even hit ones eyes, which has nothing to do with your brain.

 

[DontTalkDT]

I don't use the offical translation as there are many, many mistakes and its quite known to be bad up to volume 5. For instance they called Shalltear a bunny(a rabbit sometimes too) instead of a vampire. They translate many things TOO literally, its really quite bad.

Literal is exactly what we need here, though.

That aside if the official translation and fan translation say different things about the feat it is questionable and definitely needs further confirmation on what is actually said.

 

[Jugger47]

Literal is exactly what we need here, though.

That aside if the official translation and fan translation say different things about the feat it is questionable and definitely needs further confirmation on what is actually said.

I gave the japanese raw description so we need somebody who can translate it I guess. I only have the 1rst volume from Yen. I didn't buy any more after how shit it was.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Literal is exactly what we need here, though.

That aside if the official translation and fan translation say different things about the feat it is questionable and definitely needs further confirmation on what is actually said.

Guess Shalltear's a bunny then

 

[TheOneBelowAll123]

Is there anyone here that can translate the raw text?

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[DontTalkDT]

You could try asking in the translation request thread or directly ask one of the people on this list.

 

[Jugger47]

Literal is exactly what we need here, though.

That aside if the official translation and fan translation say different things about the feat it is questionable and definitely needs further confirmation on what is actually said.

You don't really understand what I mean by too literal.

Im gonna give an example I gave before.

Þê×Òüäõ©èÒüîÒéïþü½Òü«þ▓ë
which is the name of one of the overlord ost titles, literal translation is "fliers of flying up....."

This is because there are many poetics in japanese that have literal meanings in english.

The best english translation would be "Soaring Sparks of Fire'", a far cry from the literal translation, a literal translation wouldn't really help here. You need somebody who can actually properly translate this line, which I cannot. In other words, don't count on that shitty Yen Press translation

 

[Jugger47]

Well, I made the request.

Although seeing how long these apparently take....yea, I'd say we should look for help else where too.

 

[Kepekley23]

Japanese needs the full context behind a sentence in order for the translation to make sense.

ÕàëÒüúÒüƒÒü¿Þ¬ìÞ¡ÿÒüùÒüƒµÖéÒü½Òü»ÚªûÒüîÞÉ¢ÒüíÒéïÒâ╝ÒüØÒéîÒü╗Òü®Òü«ÚǃÕ║ª literally translates to "By the time one would have begun to see the glint, their head would fall to the ground quick", which doesn't really make sense without context.

 

[TheOneBelowAll123]

I tried using google translate and what i got was this.

When I recognize it glows my neck falls. That speed

 

[TheOneBelowAll123]

Japanese needs the full context behind a sentence in order for the translation to make sense.
ÕàëÒüúÒüƒÒü¿Þ¬ìÞ¡ÿÒüùÒüƒµÖéÒü½Òü»ÚªûÒüîÞÉ¢ÒüíÒéïÒâ╝ÒüØÒéîÒü╗Òü®Òü«ÚǃÕ║ª literally translates to "By the time would have begun to see the glint, their head would fall to the ground quick", which doesn't make any sense without context.

If that is what it translates to then i guess the feat is not FTL.

 

[Jugger47]

I tried using google translate and what i got was this.
When I recognize it glows my neck falls. That speed

Would rather not rely on a machine translation.

This may take a while Im "purchasing" a raw volume 3 copy.

2-3 hours.

 

[Jugger47]

Japanese needs the full context behind a sentence in order for the translation to make sense.
ÕàëÒüúÒüƒÒü¿Þ¬ìÞ¡ÿÒüùÒüƒµÖéÒü½Òü»ÚªûÒüîÞÉ¢ÒüíÒéïÒâ╝ÒüØÒéîÒü╗Òü®Òü«ÚǃÕ║ª literally translates to "By the time would have begun to see the glint, their head would fall to the ground quick", which doesn't make any sense without context.

If that is what it translates to then i guess the feat is not FTL.

By that context it sounds like as fast as light, not faster.

 

[TheOneBelowAll123]

Actualy Kepekley23 said it translates to "By the time one would have begun to see the glint, their head would fall to the ground quick", which doesn't sound like a FTL feat at all.

Although this is without context.

 

[Kepekley23]

ÕàëÒüúÒüƒÒü¿Þ¬ìÞ¡ÿÒüùÒüƒµÖéÒü½Òü»ÚªûÒüîÞÉ¢ÒüíÒéïÒâ╝ÒüØÒéîÒü╗Òü®Òü«ÚǃÕ║ª literally translates to "By the time would have begun to see the glint, their head would fall to the ground quick", which doesn't really make sense without context.

By the time one*. Small typo.

 

[TheOneBelowAll123]

Sorry, my mistake

 

[Jugger47]

Right, well I'm downloading volume 3, and Ill be back when I have it in a few hours.