One Piece Post-Timeskip Scaling and Calcs

[The_Calaca]

It's funny that we have like five or six Sub Rel feats before the TS.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Possible feat although once Kuma and Foxy get their cards on the Databook we'll pretty much have Sub Rel Pre Time Skip OP confirmed.

 

[Damage3245]

> the first time Rayleigh intercepted his light when he was gonna kill Zoro.

Technically Kizaru hadn't actually fired anything yet from his leg; he was just charging it up.

So Rayleigh intercepting him by kicking his leg away wouldn't be Relativistic.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Actually Kizaru was about the fire, hence why when Rayleigh kicked his leg away Kizaru's attack was sent away from Zoro.

 

[The_Calaca]

I agree with Damage. It's too ambiguous if Kizaru did fired before or after Rayleigh deflected the leg.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Ocams Razor. Why would Kizaru decide to fire his attack after Rayleigh stopped him? That would make no sense given the context of the moment and frankly the argument of Kizaru firing after Rayleigh hit him uses more assumptions than if he fired before.

What we know is that Kizaru had already turned into his light form, standing above Zoro and was ready to kill him. Why in the world would Kizaru think its a good idea to fire after Rayleigh stopped him? Too cause damage to Saboady? Furthermore Rayleigh already forced him into a solid state with his Haki so how would have Kizaru fired at attack after Rayleigh forced him out of his Logia state

 

[Damage3245]

Well, it's like when someone grabs a gun in someones hand and points it away from what they were about to shoot at.

It's essentially like Kizaru was in the process of pulling the trigger, Rayleigh kicked his leg to the side, and then the laser fired.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

That's a false equivalency and a major one at that. Rayleigh forced Kizaru out of his Logia body. So the laser fired despite Rayleigh already having has forced Kizaru into a solid state?

 

[Damage3245]

Haki doesn't nullify Devil Fruits, it just makes them solid as you've said. So Kizaru can still fire laser beams even if someone with Haki if touching him.

Just like how Caeser can still be a shapeshifting cloud of gas even though Luffy was holding on to him.

 

[The_Calaca]

Your argument works under the assumption that the laser was already fired and its trajectory got deflected by Rayleigh's kick but that doesn't work. Lasers doesn't change trajectory unless there's proof of a reflectant surface doing so. This isn't the case.

 

[Stefano4444]

Something that i had remember now, back in East Blue Saga it is heavely implied that Dragon moved from open sea the same massive rainstorm that had occurred during the Loguetown Arc by his own power (likely via his logia wind powers as many hits in the series suggest), i think it would be worthy analyzed it.

 

[Js250476]

I remember that Nami analyzing the weather that a storm was about to hit Loguetown, of course it's ambiguous if Dragon caused it but Smokers Line about fate wanting to save Luffy and his implied powers make it possible

 

[Ugarik]

The thread should probably be closed. We got too far away from the topic

 

[Stefano4444]

I remember that Nami analyzing the weather that a storm was about to hit Loguetown, of course it's ambiguous if Dragon caused it but Smokers Line about fate wanting to save Luffy and his implied powers make it possible

Also, even back in the Special of Shiki the scene where Dragon appears there was a storm.

It could be possible that he literally force storms/hurricanes to move around him so to make harder to be track down.

 

[Ugarik]

And the topic was something like "All previous post time-skip calc have been debunked/rejected so we need to apply new calcs to current powerscaling"

 

[Damage3245]

The thread should probably be closed. We got too far away from the topic

We're only 135 posts in. Still enough time to get back on topic.

 

[Ugarik]

Fair enough. We should probably ignore everything that has nothing to do with the calcs above if we want to get back

 

[Damage3245]

Agreed, unless anyone has a new Post-Timeskip / High-Tier calc that can assist the scaling chain.

 

[Ugarik]

So my suggestion

6-C: Admirals, Yonko, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Sengoku, Garp, Shiki

7-A: Luffy (G4), Doffy, Fujitora, Yonko Commanders, Jinbe

7-B: Zoro, Sanji, Chinjao, Base Luffy, Sai, Cavendish, Bortalomeo, Pica, Diamante, Vergo, Trebol, Oven, Daifuku, Perostero

Low 7-B Everyone else

Oven's feat is an outlier

 

[The_Calaca]

Scaling to what?

 

[AstralKing7]

Admirals 6C lol then Yonko should scale to atleast 6C as well as Mihawk

 

[Damage3245]

Technically there is only a single accepted 6-C calc at the moment, and it was by an Admiral.

But that wouldn't mean the Yonkou are At least 6-C.

 

[AstralKing7]

Yonko were smashing Admirals. That means there atleast 6C or scaling above them. That's how scaling works

 

[Damage3245]

No... because the feat is 13 Gigatons, and the next tier doesn't start until 100 Gigatons.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

The Yonko should get At Least 6-C. They've been shown to be above what the Admirals can do. Even in Whitebeard's case, he had his Haki weakened due to old age, was sick and slowly dying, endured a heart attack while fighting, had half his head burned off and even his organs and he still gave Akainu a whooping. The Navy needed everything they had to put him down and Whitebeard was probably the worst shape out of all of the Yonko. So all in all I think that they should get an At Least added to their pages since they've been shown to be much stronger than Admirals individually.


Also no, Oven's feat isn't an outlier. That's a attack one of Big Moms strongest pirates. Calling that an outlier is just ridiculous. Again I don't want to dive into this but the way One Piece is treated here is absurd and ridiculous. Akame Ga Kill went from 7-B to High 6-B, Fairy Tail went from High 6-C to High 6-B - 6-A. And nobody calls them outliers. You can't simply dismiss a higher feat as an outlier just because it's higher than you'd think. Also Doffy was accepted to scale to his own Birdcage, at least with Awakening.

 

[AstralKing7]

...I'm not saying they should be in a new tier but somewhere above the admirals in 6C which means their atleast 6C since we don't actually have number. They could be anywhere from 15gt to 98gt technically

 

[Damage3245]

Unless we have better evidence that the Yonkou are around eight times stronger than an Admiral at their strongest, we can't justify putting an At least on there.

Simply stomping a character isn't enough to justify the tier jump.

 

[AstralKing7]

It literally is enough to move them up the tier and I'm not suggesting a tier jump but they should obviously be higher up in the tier.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

You don't need to be eight times stronger for an at least. Where did you get that from?

 

[Stefano4444]

Well if we start to suggest what scaling we should use, there mine:

6-C or At least 6-C: Admirals, Yonkou, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Sengoku, Garp, Prime Shiki

Likely 6-C or 6-C: Luffy G4 (due of the 3x times power/speed boost), Jack, Jozu, Cracker, Ace, Vista, Katakuri, Marco, Smoothie.

At least High 7-A or High 7-A+ (in case the Birdcage is used): Doflamingo (for be much stronger than G2 Luffy, even after suffer major damage from Law he was still overall stronger than G2 Luffy).

High 7-A (i don't see reasons to consider Hot Sea Hell an outlier): Daifuku, Oven, Zoro, Sanji, Luffy G2, Law, Vergo.

7-A: Pica, Chinjao, Perostero, Sai, Cavendish, Bartolomeo, Diamante.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

I agree with Stefano4444's scaling list.

 

[Dr.Fix]

Probably because 13 gigatons times 7 would still be island level but 8 puts it over.

EDIT: I'm replying to RIn in case it wasn't apparent with all those posts at once

 

[Damage3245]

Elizabello and Bartolomeo are both 7-B according to the new calcs.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

7-A goes for Pica's stone feat. Which he does use in combat all the time so they should scale but I can compromise and do what we did last time. "At least 7-B,possibly 7-A."

 

[Stefano4444]

Elizabello and Bartolomeo are both 7-B according to the new calcs.

And Golem Pica is 7-A instead, and despire that the combine power of Elizabello and Chinjao were able to stop his one of his attacks.

Even by dividing in two, both Elizabello and Chinjao would still remain 7-A.

 

[Damage3245]

Neither of their profiles mention Pica currently, except for Elizabello's Lite King Punch which is even lower than City level.

 

[Stefano4444]

Neither of their profiles mention Pica currently, except for Elizabello's Lite King Punch which is even lower than City level.

That doesn't mean it never happen, they did stop Golem Pica's attack in the manga.

 

[Damage3245]

Well, if Chinjao's ice-splitting feat gets calced, it may lend credence to the possibility that he contributed more to the attack than Elizabello did.

Anyway, they cancelled out his Stone Golem attack by breaking the stone it is made of, not by overpowering his attack.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Also technically everyone would scale to 29 Gigatons. Since Calaca made a thread upgrading Whole Cake Luffy to 6-C ( Given that Base Luffy was able to hurt the likes of a casual Katakuri. ) Base Whole Cake Luffy would be 9 Gigatons. Multiple that by 3 gives us 29 Gigatons, which Kaido and everyone on his level would scale to.

 

[Stefano4444]

Anyway, they cancelled out his Stone Golem attack by breaking the stone it is made of, not by overpowering his attack.

If they were able to shatter the arm it must means they were also able to nullify the power behind that attack as well.