One piece: Eustass Kid vs Queen

[Eminiteable]

Gonna vote Queen. Kid has no answer for his invisibility, Buso, laser dura neg and especially the plague rounds.

Literally any of the plague rounds would result in a guaranteed victory.

 

[Eseseso]

Now it's 7-4, so it's still Grace.

 

[Eseseso]

Actually it's 8-4 cuz @SlendVeny voted for Kidd.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

He couldn't, Zoro destroyed his plague gun before any of them fought him.

Lmaoo

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Can someone give me a Haki layer scaling for both characters?

 

[Kachon123]

Can someone give me a Haki layer scaling for both characters?

Queen has Buso Koka and Kidd doesn't which places Queen's haki above Kidd's

 

[XDragnoir]

Dura neg Laser spam, viruses, higher endurance, regen, invisibility, intelligence

Vs

Higher AP, Dura... anything else?

Their kenbu is equally trash, Queen at the very least has shown Koka but they both have trash buso, meh.

Kid not avoiding the laser spam, he is far from a mobile character and the moment he get hit by 1 he is ****** as he doesn't have regen and his endurance isn't particularly good.

 

[Kachon123]

Dura neg Laser spam, viruses, higher endurance, regen, invisibility, intelligence

Vs

Higher AP, Dura... anything else?

Their kenbu is equally trash, Queen at the very least has shown Koka but they both have trash buso, meh.

Kid not avoiding the laser spam, he is far from a mobile character and the moment he get hit by 1 he is ****** as he doesn't have regen and his endurance isn't particularly good.

Is this a vote for Queen?

 

[XDragnoir]

Is this a vote for Queen?

Ehh, sure, Queen FRA

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Dura neg Laser spam, viruses, higher endurance, regen, invisibility, intelligence

Vs

Higher AP, Dura... anything else?

Their kenbu is equally trash, Queen at the very least has shown Koka but they both have trash buso, meh.

Kid not avoiding the laser spam, he is far from a mobile character and the moment he get hit by 1 he is ****** as he doesn't have regen and his endurance isn't particularly good.

You put my vote for queen as well.

 

[Eseseso]

Ehh, sure, Queen FRA

8-5

Dura neg Laser spam, viruses, higher endurance, regen, invisibility, intelligence

Vs

Higher AP, Dura... anything else?

Their kenbu is equally trash, Queen at the very least has shown Koka but they both have trash buso, meh.

Kid not avoiding the laser spam, he is far from a mobile character and the moment he get hit by 1 he is ****** as he doesn't have regen and his endurance isn't particularly good.

Kidd has magnetism which could get Queen since Queen can't predict it, is more focused on battle, and has superior speed but not by much.

He has better endurance, but Queen's stamina is just as good.

And his pain tolerance is bonkers. Also his metal resists electricity but that's not a big part of Queen's arsenal.

 

[Eseseso]

You put my vote for queen as well.

Ok, guess Grace is cancelled.

8-6.

Actually, while Kidd is more durable, I'm not sure the gap is large since an attack that did notable damage to Zoro (Hybrid King's danmaku, which didn't even fully hit Zoro since he blocked it but was still badly hurt by it) did minor damage to an off-guard Zoan Queen.

 

[XDragnoir]

He has better endurance, but Queen's stamina is just as good.

No? Kid's endurance isn't better than an Ancient Zoan's endurance, not at all.

 

[Kachon123]

Kidd (8): Eseseso, TheMonkeMan, DaReaperMan, SlendVeny, Popted2 , King Nananya, Darkvie123, Greatsage13th

Queen (6): Kachon, Zkillers, Lynieryz, XDragnoir, Eminiteable, Wrath_Of_Itachi

 

[Eseseso]

Kidd (8): Eseseso, TheMonkeMan, DaReaperMan, SlendVeny, Popted2 , King Nananya, Darkvie123, Greatsage13th

Queen (6): Kachon, Zkillers, Lynieryz, XDragnoir, Eminiteable, Wrath_Of_Itachi

Aw man, we're gonna have another incon like Marco vs King, aren't we?

 

[Kachon123]

Actually, while Kidd is more durable, I'm not sure the gap is large since an attack that did notable damage to Zoro (Hybrid King's danmaku, which didn't even fully hit Zoro since he blocked it but was still badly hurt by it) did minor damage to an off-guard Zoan Queen.

Kidd's physicals scale below Queen's durability.

Amped Vinsmoke Durability > Queen's Mech Arm durability > Zoan Queen's Durability > Rooftop Zoro's Durability ~< Tenman Daijizai Tenjin > Base Big Mom Punch > Kidd's physical durability

 

[Eseseso]

Kidd's physicals scale below Queen's durability.

Zoan Queen's Durability > Rooftop Zoro's Durability ~< Tenman Daijizai Tenjin > Base Big Mom Punch > Kidd's physical durability

All due respect, Kidd took plenty of Big Mom's special Homie attacks, including the Tenman Tenjin.

 

[Kachon123]

All due respect, Kidd took plenty of Big Mom's special Homie attacks, including the Tenman Tenjin.

And took a lot of damage from them. That's not durability.

 

[XDragnoir]

Kidd took plenty of Big Mom's special Homie attacks

Such as? The small fire ball from Prometheus?

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Kidd absolutely bulldozes queen FRA

 

[Eseseso]

And took a lot of damage from them. That's not durability.

???

He was fine after most of BM's attacks.

He even took a Mama Raid and was more focused afterwards on the Hawkins-induced headache.

 

[Eseseso]

Kidd absolutely bulldozes queen FRA

Grace has returned!

 

[Kachon123]

He even took a Mama Raid and was more focused afterwards on the Hawkins-induced headache.

He was dripping in blood after Mama Raid.

 

[Kachon123]

Kidd absolutely bulldozes queen FRA

What reasoning?

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

What reasoning?

RA

 

[Kachon123]

RA

Which are?

 

[Eseseso]

Which are?

Magnetism, AP, comparable durability, slight speed advantage, less distracted during fighting, and so on, as was mentioned above.

That's what's meant by reasons above.

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Which are?

Kachon, Kidd has more viable wincons than that fatty.

 

[Kachon123]

Magnetism, AP, comparable durability, slight speed advantage, less distracted during fighting, and so on, as was mentioned above.

All of these have been addressed and thoroughly debunked as to how they're wincons?

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

Magnetism, AP, comparable durability, slight speed advantage, less distracted during fighting, and so on, as was mentioned above.

That's what's meant by reasons above.

Exactly

 

[1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void]

All of these have been addressed and thoroughly debunked as to how they're wincons?

Only you think that

 

[Kachon123]

Only you think that

Notice how 5 other people agree with me

 

[Eseseso]

Notice how 5 other people agree with me

Notice how 9 don't.

 

[Kachon123]

Notice how 9 don't.

Are you dumb

 

[Eminiteable]

Magnetism, AP, comparable durability, slight speed advantage, less distracted during fighting, and so on, as was mentioned above.

That's what's meant by reasons above.

Nothing here let's him survive Queen's viruses which when he has access to them he actually starts with.

 

[Kachon123]

Endurance is doing jack shit to the Mummy Virus that can be shot out in gas form.

 

[XDragnoir]

Kachon, Kidd has more viable wincons than that fatty.

What? Queen has literally laser spam that can dura neg and hit kill if they get a vital spot (I am also sure some of his lasers were nearly the size of Sanji's head too, so they have a good contact area) as well as viruses, better buso and invisibility.

Magnetism, AP, comparable durability, slight speed advantage, less distracted during fighting, and so on, as was mentioned above.

Most of these are not wincons, do y'all even know what an Wincon is?

Comparable dura isn't an advantage to any side cause you know, they're comparable, so it can't be an wincon.

AP is far from a wincon here cause he has no way around Queen's better Endurance and Regen.

The speed advantage is barely noticeable and Kid isn't know for avoiding things anyway, he instead takes everything head on.

And less distracted doesn't apply here because there is nothing to distract him here. During his fights with Sanji and Marco, Queen was distracted cause he started to target other people mid fight (Chopper, Otama, etc), which can't happen in a 1v1.

Magnetism is an wincon... except i haven't seen anyone provide any evidence Queen's prosthetics are ferromagnetic after claiming they are, literally just claiming things without proof, what a nice way to argue.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Kidd wins this, queen can't compete.

 

[Kachon123]

Magnetism is an wincon... except i haven't seen anyone provide any evidence Queen's prosthetics are ferromagnetic after claiming they are, literally just claiming things without proof, what a nice way to argue.

Even if it was, Queen's superior haki grants him resistance.

 

[Kachon123]

Kidd wins this, queen can't compete.

Based on?