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I'm not against Zoro being close to Luffy's power... during EoS.LordWhis said:
Wano arc is too soon in the story to argue Zoro would be even admiral level, let alone Yonko level. FFS, Luffy needed two arcs to prove himself to be at such level and you're arguing that Zoro was that strong all this time without putting the same effort in his fights than those Luffy had. Sorry but no, hell no.
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I'm Surprised Sanji hasn't had a legit fight that was important at all since before the timeskip, like it's crazy that he hasn't gotten a fight in so long
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Tbf, Luffy's the only SH that has been getting good fights lately.
The closest case is Franky vs Senor Pink, which is good by its theme rather than for the fight by itself. The rest of them are too short or stompish to be considered such things.
The closest case is Franky vs Senor Pink, which is good by its theme rather than for the fight by itself. The rest of them are too short or stompish to be considered such things.
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Hopefully '''all''' of the Straw Hats get their own good fight in Wano.
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The problem is it's ridiculous if Zoro is going to be close to Luffy in power by EOS that he is capable of getting stomped by him now.The Calaca said:
And if Luffy beats Kaido and Zoro beats King then Luffy will be able to stomp him unless Zoro oneshots King which I do not see happening.
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I think surprise attacks don't usually count.
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Good lord.... I don't mean any offense LordWhis but I feel like you're constantly bringing up points which have been discussed and debated months ago.
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What it's ridiculous is the idea that Zoro was YC level durint this whole time while Luffy struggled a lot to get on such level. Imagine then if he's at Admiral level or even slightly below Yonko level.
What Damage said. Almost every single point has been argued the very moment it happened in the manga.
What Damage said. Almost every single point has been argued the very moment it happened in the manga.
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Which isn't a valid reason to upgrade Zoro. If his training is the only reason why he should get an upgrade, then so should a lot of characters.
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Biggest Plot twist ever, Zoro is Imu
Could you just imagine
Could you just imagine
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Funny fact, someone has drawn Zoro's sillouette on Imu's face back when Imu was initially introduced.
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Imu's Zunesha's father and Zunesha's Mihawk's daddy.
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I can't remember such thing being mentioned. I think the VCDB stated that Zunesha is male.
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Sanji in general has been hugely disappointing post TS.
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Why exactly do Diamante and Vergo scale to Pica?
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Diamante has loose reasonings, but he was caught in Sabo's Hiken in the arena and was perfectly fine after it (So he at least has a durability feat). There's no reason to assume Diamante is far weaker than Pica's physical abilities, especially since he could contend with Kyros.
I wonder why you skipped over Trebol, but I'll point him out as well--he at least held down Law and Luffy, and could keep them in place.
- Also, if we want to take Doflamingo's word for it, he believed Diamante to be capable of taking on Luffy and the others (excluding Burgess since i'm not sure Doflamingo even knew he was there before he revealed himself) in the arena--despite believing Luffy to be of a higher caliber than Law, the latter of which defeating Vergo himself. If you want me to change the description to something regarding that, I can.
I wonder why you skipped over Trebol, but I'll point him out as well--he at least held down Law and Luffy, and could keep them in place.
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> Vergo is regarded as Doflamingo's top guy on more than one occasion--though one of these cases involve Law simply noting him as being his "right hand man".
All of Doflamingo's Supreme Executives are his "right-hand men".
> Also, considering he could survive a Counter Shock from Law (Law having the capacity to completely stop a massive meteorite with his Tact ability, which is either 7-B+ or 7-A anyways--I'll have to revisit the feat because it used to be around 6-C when we had a massive size for the OP planet)
Pretty sure we treat the meteor feat as hax, not AP.
All of Doflamingo's Supreme Executives are his "right-hand men".
> Also, considering he could survive a Counter Shock from Law (Law having the capacity to completely stop a massive meteorite with his Tact ability, which is either 7-B+ or 7-A anyways--I'll have to revisit the feat because it used to be around 6-C when we had a massive size for the OP planet)
Pretty sure we treat the meteor feat as hax, not AP.
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@Damage - I merely pointed out the Law statement as a counter against my argument.
I don't think we came to the conclusion that Law simply ignores the energy required to just stop the meteorite. Where was is stated--then agreed that it was "hax" and not an energy feat?
I don't think we came to the conclusion that Law simply ignores the energy required to just stop the meteorite. Where was is stated--then agreed that it was "hax" and not an energy feat?
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No idea when it was agreed upon; would have been years ago.
But since it was accomplished by spatial manipulation, it is assumed to be hax.
But since it was accomplished by spatial manipulation, it is assumed to be hax.
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Law didn't have his heart for most of the fight.
When he got it back he one shot Vergo.
When he got it back he one shot Vergo.
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How can you say it didn't weaken him when the narrative states otherwise.Rei Rubro said:
He went from losing to Vergo to overpowering his fully hardened haki all over his body and taking him out.
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That's why I skipped him. He actually has feats to back it up.CinCameron20 said:
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Also did Kyros ever contend with Pica? Because on his page he scales to Diamante so that is circular scaling.
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@Tetsu
Has the narrative shown that without the heart one becomes physically weaker? From what I have in mind, it has been shown that people feel tremendous pain when their heart is attacked, but not that they are weakened.
Having a full haki on your body doesn't make you resistant to space manipulation or anything. Law still one-shots him with Dura Negation.
Has the narrative shown that without the heart one becomes physically weaker? From what I have in mind, it has been shown that people feel tremendous pain when their heart is attacked, but not that they are weakened.
Having a full haki on your body doesn't make you resistant to space manipulation or anything. Law still one-shots him with Dura Negation.
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Uh yes I would assume so unless Law can just cut Kaido in half with no problem.
Doflamingo even says that Law wouldn't be able to cut through Vergo's haki even with his special ability. And he's proven wrong.
But still superior haki can protect you from his ability is the implication there.
Doflamingo even says that Law wouldn't be able to cut through Vergo's haki even with his special ability. And he's proven wrong.
But still superior haki can protect you from his ability is the implication there.
