Obito Vs Ji Ning

[speedster352]

The main wincon for obito here i see is just BFR. Unless Ji Ning can see into the future or dimension teleport than that would work. I could see ning stabbing obito, and then obito bfr him. Die and then come back.

Not to mention you do have some control over where you spawn with izinagi. Shown in the danzo fight danzo didn't spawn exactly where he died in fact a lot of times he spawned closer.

Don’t forget the tailed beast that have no souls they can fight too

 

[Arkenis]

The bijus not having a soul is not even on their page. I don't know why you're arguing this.

 

[speedster352]

The bijus not having a soul is not even on their page. I don't know why you're arguing this.

They are made of chakra actually they are just chakra given form. So no they don’t have souls

 

[speedster352]

The main wincon for obito here i see is just BFR. Unless Ji Ning can see into the future or dimension teleport than that would work. I could see ning stabbing obito, and then obito bfr him. Die and then come back.

Not to mention you do have some control over where you spawn with izinagi. Shown in the danzo fight danzo didn't spawn exactly where he died in fact a lot of times he spawned closer.

Any other win cons?

 

[Planck69]

They are made of chakra actually they are just chakra given form. So no they don’t have souls

Uh, no. Being made of a special energy doesn't somehow mean you lack a soul. Is there actually any evidence to this beyond that?

 

[AdNiBN002]

It's also amusing how there's this assertion that Obito would for some reason know that keeping Ning more than a football field away would be in his best interest.

Like, I'm fairly sure he fights at closer ranges than what's being made out on this thread.

Orange-Mask Obito is almost always seen fighting in closer ranges.

White-Mask Obito fights noticeably more ranged courtesy of the Edo's and usually just got close whenever Naruto was beaten, or if the Jinchuriki were dealt with.

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Any other win cons?

Gedo mado and genjutsu.

I can see him using both tbh since he'd be dying over and over again if kamui didn't already work.

 

[speedster352]

Gedo mado and genjutsu.

I can see him using both tbh since he'd be dying over and over again if kamui didn't already work.

Kamui will protect him and the biju as well then he can genjutsu and bfr JI

 

[speedster352]

Uh, no. Being made of a special energy doesn't somehow mean you lack a soul. Is there actually any evidence to this beyond that?

Yes it’s been agreed that tailed beast don’t have souls ask the Naruto supporters

 

[XDragnoir]

Also, can't Ning just destroy that Gedo thing? What's its dura like?

 

[speedster352]

Also, can't Ning just destroy that Gedo thing? What's its dura like?

6c plus. Obito can just fight at a range then genjutsu and bfr JI

 

[AdNiBN002]

Frankly what are Ji Ning's wincons here?

Soul-Hax shouldn't work if it requires him to be physically close to somebody in another Dimension.
I'm not knowledgeable regarding Ji Ning, nor his verse, but just in premise it's hard to believe that he's so skilled to the point where he'll beat 7 seperate fighters with Shared Vision and Analytical Prediction at once.

 

[speedster352]

Frankly what are Ji Ning's wincons here?

Soul-Hax shouldn't work if it requires him to be physically close to somebody in another Dimension.
I'm not knowledgeable regarding Ji Ning, nor his verse, but just in premise it's hard to believe that he's so skilled to the point where he'll beat 7 seperate fights with Shared Vision and Analytical Prediction at once.

Exactly and the biju have the LS so they can grab JI with their hand or telekinesis and eat him or just seal him or bfr and etc Like JI loses they can’t accept that

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Looks like someone has an grudge against Ji because he whooped their favorite characters ass that they can't do a single thing about it

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Looks like someone has an grudge against Ji because he whooped their favorite characters ass that they can't do a single thing about it

From what i can see his favorite character is meliodas and ji ning hasn't defeated him on his page.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

From what i can see his favorite character is meliodas and ji ning hasn't defeated him on his page.

He kinda did not just added since there are upgrades that are happening and would change the key that is used

 

[XDragnoir]

6c plus. Obito can just fight at a range then genjutsu and bfr JI

Okay soo Ning slashes the Gedo to dust? Meh

Frankly what are Ji Ning's wincons here?

Soul-Hax shouldn't work if it requires him to be physically close to somebody in another Dimension.
I'm not knowledgeable regarding Ji Ning, nor his verse, but just in premise it's hard to believe that he's so skilled to the point where he'll beat 7 seperate fighters with Shared Vision and Analytical Prediction at once.

AoE, Danmaku, Telekinesis, Byakugan-like vision, danger sense, soul hax, one shot AP and durability, way higher skill, barriers, speed amps, and their stamina should be more or less the same (Ning can fight for days if he doesn't use his strongest techniques many times in a row).

Each one of these is meant to deal with one or multiple things in Obito's kit.

 

[XDragnoir]

From what i can see his favorite character is meliodas and ji ning hasn't defeated him on his page.

Ning stomped Meliodas to the point it couldn't be added... Twice.

 

[Deceived3596]

Ji Ning still ducking that Road Kamelot and Bankai Yamamoto smoke....

 

[XDragnoir]

Exactly and the biju have the LS so they can grab JI with their hand or telekinesis and eat him or just seal him or bfr and etc Like JI loses they can’t accept that

I didn't see telekinesis in a single Biju profile.

And if they eat him Ning will kill them from the inside, that's not a smart move.

 

[speedster352]

Ning stomped Meliodas to the point it couldn't be added... Twice.

Meliodas has new hax just wait till he gets upgraded

 

[XDragnoir]

Meliodas has new hax just wait till he gets upgraded

You think Ning can't clap that small brat all the way to the moon and back? Fight at least his second key if you have all that confidence, kid.

 

[speedster352]

I didn't see telekinesis in a single Biju profile.

And if they eat him Ning will kill them from the inside, that's not a smart move.

They are made of chakra it won’t affect them?

Okay soo Ning slashes the Gedo to dust? Meh


AoE, Danmaku, Telekinesis, Byakugan-like vision, danger sense, soul hax, one shot AP and durability, way higher skill, barriers, speed amps, and their stamina should be more or less the same (Ning can fight for days if he doesn't use his strongest techniques many times in a row).

Each one of these is meant to deal with one or multiple things in Obito's kit.

Genjutsu plus kamui bfr and that’s a gg no matter what you say.

He kinda did not just added since there are upgrades that are happening and would change the key that is used

derailing you can be reported

 

[speedster352]

You think Ning can't clap that small brat all the way to the moon abd back? Fight at least his second key if you have all that confidence, kid.

Forcefield Creation and Power Nullification (Can create a barrier of darkness that destroy any kind of magic pass through it, even Merlin's teleportation), Passive Status Effect Inducement, Disease Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Corrosion Inducement(Meliodas exudes a miasma that causes weaker beings to feel sick, even ones as powerful as Post-Training King. Miasma also prone to rot and decay other's mind and body), Resurrection(Returns to life every time he dies after a month has passed), Demon Clan Physiology, Enhanced Power Nullification (Superior to 2 Commandments Estarossa)

 

[speedster352]

You think Ning can't clap that small brat all the way to the moon and back? Fight at least his second key if you have all that confidence, kid.

Meliodas will soon get immunity to soul and empathic manipulation then he will clap JI with hax

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Meliodas will soon get immunity to soul and empathic manipulation then he will clap JI with hax

You're derailing now cope in other threads not here

 

[YoutubeForKing]

Obito is still winning here. The arguments for Ji Ning would be valid if it were not for izinagi

 

[speedster352]

Obito is still winning here. The arguments for Ji Ning would be valid if it were not for izinagi

Exactly izangi and kamui bfr is a gg obito fra what are the votes

 

[AdNiBN002]

AoE, Danmaku, Telekinesis, Byakugan-like vision, danger sense, soul hax, one shot AP and durability, way higher skill, barriers, speed amps, and their stamina should be more or less the same (Ning can fight for days if he doesn't use his strongest techniques many times in a row).

Each one of these is meant to deal with one or multiple things in Obito's kit.

• AoE, Danmaku, Barriers and Telekinesis would get countered by Kamui unless there's some ulterior effect I'm unaware of.
• Similarly with the Soul Hax if it requires him to be within range, as that won't happend as he'll reside in another Dimension for the most part.
• An Obito that had half of his body possessed by Zetsu and was obscenely fatigued was still capable of reacting to and deflecting an attack from Six Paths Jubidara, who scales significantly above him. So unless the Speed amps are layered even more than that, then they're unlikely to do much.
• I'm unaware of how Ji Ning's Danger Sense and Enhanced Vision works, but there have been examples of Obito's Kamui not being trackable.

Overall, I don't really see how this could conclude as a potent counter to Obito's skillset. If anything it seems vice-versa.

 

[speedster352]

• AoE, Danmaku, Barriers and Telekinesis would get countered by Kamui unless there's some ulterior effect I'm unaware of.
• Similarly with the Soul Hax if it requires him to be within range, as that won't happend as he'll reside in another Dimension for the most part.
• An Obito that had half of his body possessed by Zetsu and was obscenely fatigued was still capable of reacting to and deflecting an attack from Six Paths Jubidara, who scales significantly above him. So unless the Speed amps are layered even more than that, then they're unlikely to do much.
• I'm unaware of how Ji Ning's Danger Sense and Enhanced Vision works, but there have been examples of Obito's Kamui not being trackable.

Overall, I don't really see how this could conclude as a potent counter to Obito's skillset. If anything it seems vice-versa.

Exactly I couldn’t have said it better myself. The match goes genjutsu and kamui bfr gg

 

[XDragnoir]

• AoE, Danmaku, Barriers and Telekinesis would get countered by Kamui unless there's some ulterior effect I'm unaware of.

Those are to deal with the Biju and their attacks.

• Similarly with the Soul Hax if it requires him to be within range, as that won't happend as he'll reside in another Dimension for the most part.

Soul hax is to deal with the Jins may Obito try to use them.

• An Obito that had half of his body possessed by Zetsu and was obscenely fatigued was still capable of reacting to and deflecting an attack from Six Paths Jubidara, who scales significantly above him. So unless the Speed amps are layered even more than that, then they're unlikely to do much.

The amp will help him dodge Kamui

• I'm unaware of how Ji Ning's Danger Sense and Enhanced Vision works, but there have been examples of Obito's Kamui not being trackable.

Scans?

 

[XDragnoir]

They are made of chakra it won’t affect them?

The man himself (@UchihaSlayer96 ) said this to me:

Me: the Biju are made of chakra and unable to be interacted with 100% of the time?

US96: No, absolutely not. They've been given physical bodies by Hagoromo.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

US96

Shortened version of Uchiha's name looks like a name of a gun

 

[speedster352]

Those are to deal with the Biju and their attacks.

Soul hax is to deal with the Jins may Obito try to use them.

The amp will help him dodge Kamui

Scans?

Genjutsu plus kamui bfr is gg

The man himself (@UchihaSlayer96 ) said this to me:

Me: the Biju are made of chakra and unable to be interacted with 100% of the time?

US96: No, absolutely not. They've been given physical bodies by Hagoromo.

Yes but they are just chakra read their profiles they cannot be killed so they eat Ji and that’s the end of that

 

[XDragnoir]

Yes but they are just chakra read their profiles they cannot be killed so they eat Ji and that’s the end of that

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How old are you? 7yo? Go to sleep.

 

[AdNiBN002]

Those are to deal with the Biju and their attacks.

- That accomplishes even less, as Yagura's water-mirror will essentially hard-counter this.

Soul hax is to deal with the Jins may Obito try to use them.

- Does Ji Ning resist his own Soul Hax? If not then same as above

The amp will help him dodge Kamui

- Offensive Kamui could outspeed an attack from Six Paths Jubidara aswell (As Obito is much faster teleporting others than himself), so this has to be extremely layered to even have a potential effect.

Scans?

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

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How old are you? 7yo? Go to sleep.

Just ignore him trust me

 

[speedster352]

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How old are you? 7yo? Go to sleep.

Duplication (Can use Shadow Clone Technique), Resurrection, Shockwave Creation, Absorption(Can accumulate natural energy and transfer chakra to others), Possession (Able to overwrite Narutos will with his own.), Intangibility(Although the Bijuu transform into physical matter and give themselves normal biological bodies, they are primarily made entirely out of energy and have been shown to exist in that state. As they are masses of energy in this state, they are impossible to kill by normal means), Energy Manipulation (Can manipulate chakra to create Tailed Beast Balls as well as additional appendages), Regeneration (Likely Low-Mid. His chakra helped heal Naruto after Sasuke's Chidori pierced a hole through his chest and right lung. Kurama should be able to heal himself with his chakra as well), Large Size (Type 2), Fear-Inducing Aura (Terrified Shin Uchiha into submission with his presence alone, and has consistently been shown to have extremely malevolent chakra), Statistics Amplification via Sage Technique and Naruto's Enhancement, Soul Manipulation and Non-Physical Interaction(Tailed Beast Chakra Arms users can interact with the soul), Resistance to Paralysis Inducement, Body Puppetry, and Possession(Bijū and Jinchūriki are capable of resisting[1][2]the binding effects and control of the Rinnegan's Black Receivers)

 

[XDragnoir]

- That accomplishes even less, as Yagura's water-mirror will essentially hard-counter this.

How does it work? What's the strongest attack it has reflected?

Does Ji Ning resist his own Soul Hax? If not then same as above

Yep.

- Offensive Kamui could outspeed an attack from Six Paths Jubidara aswell (As Obito is much faster teleporting others than himself), so this has to be extremely layered to even have a potential effect.

That's Kamui's intangibility not the one he uses to BFR others tho.

How much faster SP Juubidara is compared to Obito? Ning's amp in this key aren't massive but still.

 

[speedster352]

How does it work? What's the strongest attack it has reflected?

Yep.

That's Kamui's intangibility not the one he uses to BFR others tho.

How much faster SP Juubidara is compared to Obito? Ning's amp in this key aren't massive but still.

Juubidara is one of the fastest characters of the verse and his amps are massive. Yagura refelcted Kcm Naruto and bees attacks so it’s potent anyway genjutsu plus kamui bfr and sealing gg. Obito can kamui anyone close to him read his profile